>> WELCOME BACK TO FAMILY HEALTH MALTERS.

I AM SHELLEY IRWIN.

WELL ME ARE THE GUESTS VIA ZOOM EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR MENT AL HEALTH FOUNDATIONER THAN OWN BACKYARD.

FOUNDER AND COUNCILOR AT SECOND STORY THAT YOU ARE HERE AS WELL.

MICHAEL WALTON, AND ZOMBIYASI SENIOR EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT OF STRATEGY OF COURSE AT HOPE NETWORK.

SO GOOD YOU ARE HERE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE IN THIS NICHE OF MENTAL HEALTH.

LOGICAL ME BEGIN WITH YOU CRIST TWI FORMAL INTRODUCTION AUN YOU SPEND YOUR DAY IN THIS FIELD.

>> WELL, OBVIOUSLY, AM IN HIGH HOME RIGHT NOW.

I SPEND A LOT OF TIME DOING PRESENTATIONS REGARDING MENTAL HEALTH AWARENESS, SUICIDE PREVENTION BE WHERE AND SPECIFICALLY THROUGH ACTION PLAN.

IT IS FOUR SIMPLE STEPS TO RECOGNIZE DEPRESSION AND PREVENT SUICIDE AND THEN, IN ADDITION, TEACHING MENTAL HEALTH COURSES, AND THAT IS MY GIG RIGHT NOW.

I AM HAPPY TO BE HOME.

I AM HAPPY TO BE TEACHING THE COURSE, HOLING, THE ABILITY TO KEEP DOING IT VIRTUALLY.

YES.

STILL GETTING THE NECESSARY MESSAGE OUT.

TELL US ABOUT YOU, MICHAEL WALTON.

YEAH.

I OWN SECOND STORY COUNSELING OW OUT IN HUDSONVILLE, MICHIGAN.

AND CURRENTLY I SEE ROUGHLY, YOU KNOW, 90 TO 15 CLIENTS A WEEK GOOD FOR DIRECT THERAPY.

THEN, ALSO, THE REST OF MY TIME IS DEVOTED TO MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE READY TO MEET THE CURRENT MENTAL HEALTH NEEDS OF THE COME TIN, SO THAT IS REACHING OUT TO LOCAL TEACHERS, PRINCIPLE, SCHOOLS, AND PASTORS, COMMUNITY LEADERS TO SEE WHAT THEY NEED FROM US, AND HOW WE CAN BEST SERVE THEM, THEN, ALSO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE STAFF CAPACITY TO MEET THOSE NEEDS.

>> WONDERFUL.

>> SHARE YOUR WORK WITH HOPE NETWORK.

>> SURE.

SO I SPEND MY DAYS OVERSEEING LARGE PROGRAMS THAT PROVIDE DIRECT SERVICES TO PEOPLE BOTH IN RESIDENTIAL SETTINGS, ALSO, IN CLINICS, WE DO EVERYTHING FROM OUTPATIENT TO CRISIS ALL KINDS OF WORK THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF MICHIGAN, SO THE TEAMS THAT DO THAT REPORT UP THROUGH ME AND I ALSO SPEND SOME OF MY TIME WORK ON PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT, SO TALKING TO PEOPLE ALL OVER THIS STATE ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SOLVE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE KNOW EXISTS IN BEHAVIOR HEALTH RIGHT NOW.

YES.

WE WILL START WITH YOU, A QUESTION FOR ALL THREE OF YOU, BASICALLY GRADE OUR STATE OF MENTAL HEALTH TODAY.

MEGAN.

>> I WOULD GIVE IT PROBABLY A B IN THAT THINK, YOU KNOW, IT HAS BEEN INTERESTING.

I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY.

MAYBE WE BROUGHT US TOGETHER AND MAKING ITS'IER TO TALK ABOUT BEHAVIOR HEALTH.

I HAVE SEEN MORE PEOPLE IN THE LASTING YEAR AND A HALF REACHING OUT, ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THINGS ARE STRESSFUL, MAYBE BECAUSE WE HAVE A SHARED EXPERIENCE IN THAT WAY, BEING MORE CONSCIOUS OF THAT IN THEIR LOVED ONCE AS WELL.

SO, SO I THINK THE B IS A HOPEFUL ONE.

I WOULD HAVE GIVEN IT PROBABLY A C LAST YEAR, SIM GRATEFUL THAT THINGS ARE IMPROVING IN THAT WAY.

I STILL THINK THAT, I LIKE TO BE A STUDENT.

I AM SURE EVERYBODY ELSE DOES, TOO.

WAY SO TO LOVE SEE US GET TOT THE A OR A PLUS WHERE WE'RE MEETING POM NEED AND GETTING THE ACCESS TO CARE PART RIGHT.

THINK WE STILL STRUGGLE AS GETTING PEOPLE IN WHERE THEY NEED TO BE.

>> NICE.

MICHAEL.

>> YEAH.

I RESONATE WITH THAT, I THINK THAT THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE GONE REALLY WELL OVER THE LAST YEAR.

I THINK NENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL COME IN THE HAS REALLY COME TOGETHER AND REALLY EXCITING WAYS TO MEET A CHAT CHALLENGE THAT NONE OF US WOULD HAVE EXPECTED.

I THINK ONE OF THE THIS CONTINUED CHALLENGES THAT I SEE IS JUST ISSUES IN REGARDS TO ACCESS.

HOW DO WE GET.

HOW DO WE HAVE CAPACITY TO MEET WHAT IS A VERY HIGH NEED FOR THERAPY RIGHT NOW, AND SOMETHING THAT I FORESEE AS WE MOVE INTO THE FALL, EVEN AS THINGS IMPROVE.

I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO LOOK BACK AND SAY WHAT WAS THAT.

HOW DID THAT IMPACT ME.

I DON'T THINK TAME DOING WELL.

WE ARE GOING TO SEE ANOTHER WAVE COMING, THEN WHETHER IT IS INSURANCE, WHETHER IT IS COSTS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT THINGS OUT THERE THAT LIMB MILT ACCESS, JUST EVEN HAVING THERAPIST WHO HAVE OPENINGS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE PEOPLE AND I THINK ACCESS IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS THAT I CURRENTLY SEE.

>> YES.

CHRISTIE, WHAT DO YOU ADD TO THAT?

>> I WOULD ADD, ALSO, IN AGREEMENT AND LIMITED RESOURCES, OBVIOUSLY, AND ANOTHER ISSUE HERE IN OUR STATE IS MENTAL HEALTH PAIR TY AND THAT MENTAL HEALTH DISORDERS ARE NOT TREATED THE SAME AS PHYSICAL HEALTH DISORDER AND SO THE EXPECTATION THAT SOMEONE WOULD MENIAL HEALTH DISORDER CAN FEEL BETTER IN SIX WEEK, YOU KNOW, OFTENTIMES IT CAN TAKE YEAR UNTIL SOMEBODY GETS ENGAGED INTO THERAPY AND TREATMENT.

IN ADDITION, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, WE, WE LOOK AT KIDS AS BEING AT RISKS AND I KNOW SCHOOL DISTRICTS ARE WORKING HARD TO BRING CLINICIANS AND THERAPISTS TO START THE BALL ROLLING, RIGHT?

BUT THEN THAT EXPECTATIONS THAT AT ALL, IT ON THEIR SHOULDERS OF COUNCILOR AND SOCIAL WORKERS AND SCHOOLS.

THERE HAS GOT TO BE CONNECTION WITH MORE RESOURCES OUTSIDE OF JUST THE SCHOOLANCE THEN, THAT INCLUDES EDUCATION TO PARENTS, AND I SEE THIS AS NONSTOP, AND THIS IS JUST, A DEFINITE NEED AND HOW WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT AND NEEDS TO BE DONE OBVIOUSLY.

I HAVE SOME IDEAS.

BUT YOU KNOW, ALSO, WE ARE TO GET HELP.

AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHERE TO GET HELP.

THERE ARE RESOURCES.

EVERYBODY WANTS TO GET THEIR SKIN IN THE GAME WITH THIS.

WE NEED TO BE ARMED WITH SOME INFORMATION TO GIVE TO SOMEONE WHAT WE RECOGNIZE THE ONSET.

>> YES.

WE WANT TO OBVIOUSLY TALK AS MUCH PREVENTION AS POSSIBLE, BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT THE REALITY OF WHERE WE ARE, A IS THE KEY RACE FACTOR AND AND OR SIGN OR SYMPTOM THAT I NEED HELP IN MY MEANT, IN THE MENTAL HEALTH FEED, CHRISTY?

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE IS, YOU KNOW, THE TWO MOST COMMON MENTAL HEALTH DISORDERS ARE DEPRESSION AND ANXIETIES.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO BASICALLY LOOK AT THEM BOTH AND STAY IF THERE IS A CHANGE IN SOMEONE'S BEHAVIOR FOR TWO WEEKS OR LONGER, THAT COULD PUT THEM AT TRICKS HAVE THIS ILLNESS SH.

THAT COULD BE THERES ONGOING STRESS IN THEIR LIFE, THAT THEY ARE DISTRESSED, MEAN, THIS WORD STRESS IS SO IN THE PICTURE.

RIGHT.

OFTEN TIME, WE THINK WE CAN GET OVER IT.

RIGHT.

OH, YOU WILL BE FINE.

GO DO BREATHING EX ARER SIGHSES.

GO HEALTH A BETTER MEAL.

TAKE A WALK AROUND THE BLOCK.

THEY ARE AWESOME.

THOSE ARE GREAT THINGS TO DO.

FILT CONTINUES TO GO ON.

IT MEANS I HAVE TO HAVE SA CONVERSATION, SO IN ADDITION, LIKE A CONCENTRATION.

SOMEONE'S HYGIENE, JUST GOOD HEY GENE IS ONE OF THE FIRST CLUANCE WARNINGS WHEN SOMEBODY IS NOT TAKING CARE OF THEMSELVES AND SOMEBODY WHO CANNOT CONCENTRATE, SOMEBODY WHO IS NOT THE TYPICAL EMPLOY YES THEY WERE OR MY CHILD IS NOT THE TYPICAL AND I DO NOT USE THE WORD NORMAL, SHELLY, BECAUSE I HATE THOUGH WORD NORMAL BECAUSE IT HAS A BIG DEFINITION.

LOOK AT WHAT IS TYPICAL OF SOMEONE'S BEHAVIOR.

WHAT ARE THEY.

THIS IS NOT REALLY.

THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN WHAT IS GOING ON.

THEN, NEED TOW LOOK AT THE RACE FACTORS THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF.

WE HAVE BEEN FUNCTIONING DIFFERENTLY.

SO YES.

MANY PEOPLE ARE AT RISKS FOR ANXIETY AND DEPRESSION AND IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY HAVE THE ILLNESS, BUT IT MEANS THAT SOMEHOW ME AS FAMILY MEMBER, AS COWORKER, I COULD GET THE BALL ROLLING TO START TALKING ABOUT WHAT I AM SEEING THAT IS NOT TYPICAL.

YES.

CAN YOU SHARE.

>> SURE.

YOU KNOW, CHRISTY IS RIGHT.

ALL OF THOSE ARE SIGNS AND SYMPTOMS THAT PEOPLE SHOULD BE WATCHFUL FOR.

I WOULD AD A COUPLE COUPLE.

ONE WOULD BE CHANGES IN SLEEP AND APPETITE.

ALSO.

SOME OF THOSE IN KIDS OR IN OLDER ADULTS THOUGH ARE THINGS THAT WE LOOK FORWARD THAT CAN GIVES A CLUE BECAUSE SOMETIMES THEY CANNOT TELL US NECESSARILY.

IF YOU NOTICE A CHANGE THERE.

THEY WILL LAST A LITTLE LONGER OR SEEM UNUSUAL.

THAT MAY BE WORTH INVESTIGATING, ALSO, SUBSTANCE ABUSE.

SO IF YOU NOTICED THAT TAILSLY GOING TO BE A HUGE ISSUE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE ANTICIPATING THAT NOT ONLY WITH BEHAVIOR HEALTH DISORDERS OF DEPRESSION AND ANXIETY BUT PEOPLE COPED DURING THE PAN COMPANY WICK ALCOHOL OR OTHER KINDS OF SUBSTANCES.

THAT MAY, THAT MACON PURCHASE BUTTE TO PROBLEMS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE A STEND SY TOWARD ADDICTION SO REALLY KEEPING AN EYE ON THE PEOPLE THAT YOU LOVE AND YOURSELF.

IF YOU FEEL LIKE ARE USING THAT MORE THAN YOU PROBABLY SHOULD.

THAT IS SOMETHING TO KEEP AN EYE ON, TOO.

>> THANK YOU.

MICHAEL LAWRIE SNG GES HERE FOR YOUR MEAN?

YEAH.

CITY THIS THAT JUST, WHEN IT BEGINS TO IMPACT YOUR DAILY FUNCTIONING WHETHER THAT IS, YOU KNOW, I AM FINDING IT HARDER TO GET OUT OF BED IN THE MORNING, I AM JUST SPENDING MORE TIME TRANSITIONING INTO MY DAY, AS WAS MENTIONED BEFORE, YOU KNOW, IF I AM AT WORK, THINGS ARE NOT COMING AS AUTOSLY, I AM STRUGGLING TO STAY FOCUSED OR NORMAL WHAT WOULD BE A TYPICAL WORK DAY DONE, THEN GETTING THAT STUFF IF THAT IS NOT HAPPENING, THEN, THAT IS A SIGN THAT MAYBE SOMETHING IS GOING ON, THEN FRESH YOU KNOW, THERE IS PHYSICAL SIGNS OF IT.

FIZZ AM ENVIRONMENT.

AM FINDING IT DIFFICULT TO BREATH.

AND XI TY HAS A PHYSICAL COMPONENT TO IT.

THEN, A LOT OF TIME WHEN I AM WORKING WITH SOMEBODY AND THE FIRST TIME THEY HAD PAN K ATTACK.

THEY SAY THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE HAVING A HEART ATTACK.

SO IF YOU ARE STARTING TO SEE SOME PHYSICAL SIGNS OF THINGS THAT MAYBE ARE NOT TYPICAL TO YOUR DIE DAY PROCESS, BUT WHEN, WHEN WHENEVER YOU ARE STRUGGLING WITH THE BEGINNING TO IMPACT THE ABILITY TO FUNCTION AND YOUR DAY-TO-DAY LIFE, IFth IT MAY BE TIME TO SEEK OUT SOMEBODY TO TALK THROUGH WHAT IS GOING ON.

>> YES.

SO CHRISTY, BACK TO THE TOP TK YOU BROUGHT UP WITH THE PARENTS.

WHAT, WHAT IS OUR ROLE, WHATS THE THROW PARENTS.

HOW IMPORTANT IS TO IT INTERVENE EARLY IN LIFE?

>> WELL, ALL RIGHT.

SO STATISTIC IS THAT HALF OF ALL MENTAL HEALTH DISOTHERS BEGAN BY THE AGE OF 14 AND THERE QUARTERS OF BY THE AGE OF 24 AREAS OLD.

AND SO MUCH FRESH WE WORKED THAT OUT HAS TO DO WITH BRAIN DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO, AS A PARENT, RECOGNIZING EARLY, THAT MY CHILD, MY SON-DAUGHTER MAY STRUGGLE WITH ANXIETY BECAUSE ANXIETIES THE MOST COMMON MENTAL HEALTH DISORDER, WITH AGE OF ONSET OF 11 YEARS OLD.

SO BEING PAYING ATTENTION, NOT DISMISSING THAT MY CHILD GETS TO SCHOOL AND CRY AND WANTS TO COME HOME.

MY CHILD WORRIES THAT I AM LET GOING THROB TO PICK THEM UP.

I KNOW, THESE CAN TYPICAL REACTIONS TO A CHILD, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY HAVE CLOSE RELATIONSHIPS TO THE PARENT BUS SOMETHING THAT IS GOING ON AND ON FOR TWO WEEKS OR LONGER, THEN, HAVING CONVERSATIONS, AND YOU COULD LET YOUR PEDIATRICIAN KNOW.

YOU COULD TALK TO ONE OF THE SCHOOL COUNCILORS, AGAIN, A LOT OF SCHOOLS HAVE IN PLACE PEOPLE AT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AGE, ALSO.

SO MY FRESHMAN YEAR THAT AGE 14, NOW, YOU ARE REALLY ADJUSTING TO DIFFERENT THINGS IN HIGH SCHOOL, AND RIGHT I KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING NONSTOP WITH THE EFFECT THAT THIS HAS HAD ON KIDS' MENTAL HEALTH WITH COVID ANG THE SHUTDOWN AND NOT GOING TO SCHOOL.

IT WAS IMPORTANT.

THE BIGGEST THING THAT THE KIDS WERE MISSING OUT WAS THE CONNECTIVITY TO THEIR SCHOOL.

TOLL OTHER STUDENTS, TO THEIR CLUBS THEIR ORGANIZATION, THE BAND, SPORTS.

AND WE DID SEE IT UNCREASE THIS YEAR AND ARISE IN KIDS STRUGGLING WITH MAKING THESE BIG ADJUSTMENTS.

YOU KNOW?

KIDS ARE UNDER A LOT MORE PRESSURE NOW, AND UNDERSTANDABLY SO, WITH PARENTS, YOU KNOW, I CAN TALK ABOUT IT.

THE KIDS STRUGGLE AT HOME.

ALL THE KIDS ARE STRUGGLING WITH MENTAL HEALTH.

NOW AS A PARENT, RIGHT?

NOT BEING FEARFUL OF CONNECTING WITH THE SCHOOL ON THIS, CAN YOU GIVE ME RECOMMENDATION, THEN SCHOOLS ALSO HAVE THE RESOURCES AT HAND, YOU KNOW, DON'T ARRAYED TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS OUTSIDE OF THE SCHOOL FOR SOMEONE TO GET HELP.

TATICS A WHOLE COMMUNITY SO WE CANNOT PUT IT ON AS TO ONE SILO.

WE'RE IN THE GAME.

SO PARENTS THEY RAIN IN SILO THE KIDS AT THAT SCHOOL THEN THEY ARE OUTSIDE OF THE SEE YOU LO, TOO WHERE WITH OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THEIR OWN LIVES.

YES.

MAYBE YOU CAN RESPOND TO THAT.

THEN, ALSO, ALSO, PERHAPS, THE NICHE OF THIS SENIOR CITIZEN, AND HOW WE, HOW WE SO MUCH TALK OF LONELINESS AND THE EFFECT OF MENTAL HEALTH.

YEAH.

ABSOLUTELY.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, DESCRIBED IT MOOSELY FOR KIDS IN TERMS OF THE EYE LATION THAT MANY FELT AND A DISCONNECTEDNESS AT TIME WHEN THE BRAINS ARE DEVELOPING SO THAT IS PROBABLY SOMETHING, IT HAS BEEN SAID YOU CAN ANTICIPATE THROUGH WHEN KIDS COME BACK TO SCHOOLS OR YOUNGER PEOPLE.

THEY ARE TYPICALLY EMOTIONALLY NOW A YEAR BEHIND.

SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE EXTRA TLC AND, AND SOME GUIDANCE FOREVER EVERYONE, AND TRY TO GET BACK TO THE SWING OF THING SAN FEEL A LITTLE WEIRD TO BE SOCIAL AFTER THIS TIME.

BUT WALK WARD CAN BE GOOD.

SO WE'LL WORK THROUGH THAT WITH THEM.

FOR OLDER PEOPLE, THOUGH, MAIN, YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED OLLER ADULTS, CERTAINLY, AND MANY OF THEM HAVE DEALT WITH LOAN NINESS AND ISOLATION, IT HAS BEEN INTERESTING, ACTUALLY, SOME DATA THROUGHOUT, SOME OF THEM HAVE COPED BETTER THAN EXPECTED BECAUSE THEY ARE USED TO BEING ALONE.

SO THE ISOLATION PIECE WAS NOT AS HARD FOR THEM.

I THINK THOUGH OVERALL, MOST PEOPLE ARE MEANT TO BE TOGETHER.

SO TO NOT BE ABLE TO VISIT OR JUST TO HOLD YOUR LOVED ONCE OR HUG THEM.

KNOW, I WAS REALLY EXCITE WHEN I CAN FINALLY HUG MY RERELATIVES.

I AM SURE THEY ARE STILL THE SAME WAY.

SO THAT HAS BEEN RETOUGH ON OLDER'S DULTS DID AND HOPEFUL THAT WE'LL SEE, YOU KNOW OF KNOW IMPROVEMENTS, YOU KNOW, AS WE ARE ABLE TO OPEN UP AND PEOPLE CAN BE TOGETHER AGAIN, THEY WILL FEEL LESS ICE LAYING.

>> WONDER.

THANK FOR THAT.

MICHAEL.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THE -- I GUESS I WILL USE THE WORD "TREATMENT JOURNEY."

HOW REWE CURING OR CONTROLLING?

>> WELL, CAN YOU PREALLOT THAT FOR ME, PLEASE.

>> YES.

I GUESS WE'LL CALL IT THE TREATMENT JOURNEY.

HOW ARE WE CONTROLLING, CURING, HOW ARE WE BRINGING LIFE BACK TO THOSE WHO ASK FOR SNEAP YEAH.

IT IS REALLY LOOKING AT IT FROM A HOLISTIC MIND SET.

WHETHER THAT IS PHYSICAL THINGS YOU ARE DOING EXERCISE, I DON'T THINK WE TYPICALLY AS A SOCIETY STRESS THE IMPORTANCE OF SLEEP AS MUCH AS WE SHOULD.

IT WINCE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT GOES WHEN WE ARE STRESSED OR OVERWHELM AND THE THINGS WE NEED THE MOST DURING THAT TIME.

BUT ALL OF THOSE PHYSICAL THINGS CAN DO A LOT TO HELP RELIEF, RELIEF STRESS AND ANXIETY AND MENTAL LIKE WHAT AM I DOING IN THE THOUGHT PATTERNS, AND WE ALL DEVELOP OVER THE COURSE OF LIFE REALLY UNHELPFUL THINKING PATTERNS AND OF OURSELVES AND ABOUT THE WOR.

I THINK THAT IS ONE OF THIS HE BIG BENEFITS OF THERAPY IS HAVING OUTSIDE SLICE CANDYING INTO THE CHALLENGE THOSE THOUGHT PATTERNS TO HELP US RETHINK THROUGH WHAT IS BETTER THOUGHT PATTERNS AND PIR VITTUAL ASPECT BEING INVOLVED IN THE FAITH COMMUNITY, AND THE BIG KAG CHALLENGES OVER THE LAST YEAR IS THE COME TIN ASPECT.

NOT BEING TABLE BE AS CONNECTED TO PEOPLE AS WE COULD BE SO FOCUSING ON WHAT ARE THE WAYS AS THINGS CONTINUE TO OPEN UP, HOW CAN I RECONNECT.

HOW CAN I GET REINVESTED.

WHILE AT THE SAME TIME, KNOWING THAT THERE MAY BE A LOT OF ANXIETY JUST AROUND THAT IDEA.

THE IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, IMAGINE THE FIRST TIME OF BEING BACK IN A PACKED MOVIE THEATER OR SPORTING VEN MAY BE VERY CAUSE A LOT OF XANE TY FOR SOME PEOPLE AND SO HAVING A SPACE TO EVEN AS WE LONG FOR THOSE MOMENTS AND BOEING ABLE TO HAVE THE PROCESS, THE PINE TY AROUND THOSE THINGS.

BUT HAVING, I THINK, SOMETIMES WE THINK OF THERAPY AS SIMPLY, I WILL GO IN, I WILL TALK ABOUT PROBLEMS AND TALKING ABOUT IT WOMEN HELP YOU FEEL BETTER, THEN, THERE IS ASPECT TO THAT, AND, THAN THE TREATMENT JOURNEY, BUT THERE IS ALSO A LOT OTHER COME NONES THAT WOMAN AROUND IT THAT CAN HELP US BECOME HEALTHIER ALL THE WAY AROUND.

>> YES.

CRESTING TY?

WHAT DO YOU ADD TO THAT?

THEN I WOULD LAKE TO TALK ABOUT THE TOPIC OF SUICIDE.

>> YEAH.

LOVE HOW MICHAEL PUT THAT.

IT IS ALSO THE RESPONSIBILITY THINK OF PATIENT, TOO.

TO TAKE WHAT THEY AREERN LAG IN THERAPY AND IMPLEMENT IT.

THAT IS OFTEN DIFFICULT.

AND THOSE ARE THE CHALLENGE, I KNOW THAT TIMES AFTER THE FIRST APPOINTMENT SOMEBODY MAY GIVE UP BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I AM NOT READY NOR.

I DON'T HAVE THAT TOOL MINE TOOLBOX, AND THAT IS WHY I, THAT IS WHY I SUPPORT SOME IMPORTANT OUTSIDE AND THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE LIKE FAMILY AND FRIENDS COWORKERS WHOMEVER THAT ARE ALSO ON THE JOURNEY AND ENCOURAGING YOU AS TO GO BACK.

BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES IT IS GIVEUP.

THESE ARE HARD QUESTIONS, PEG, LISTEN THE FIRST PINTMENT THAT ARE PUT TO YOU.

IT IS THROUGHOUT THIS COULD BE TOUGH JOURNEY FOUR RIGHT NOW.

YOU MAY NOT LIABILITY.

WE COMPARE IT TO OTHER TREATMENT AND THERAPIES FOR PHYSICAL ILLS, RIGHT?

ITS THE SAME THING.

IT REALLY IS.

I MEAN, THAT FIRST TIME YOU ARE GOING FOR ANY TYPE OF TREATMENT FOR A PHYSICAL ILLNESS YOU MAY HAVE.

WE CALL IT PHYSICAL THERAPY.

BECAUSE THAT IS AUTOS SY ONE.

THEN, MAN THAT WAS TOUGH.

A HURT SO BAD.

I HATE IT.

I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK.

WHILE IF YOU WANT TO WALK AWAY IN AGAIN, IF YOU WANT TO GET BACK PLAYING THE SUPPORT, RUNNING, RIGHT?

YOU GOT TO DO THAT.

YES.

NOW I LOVE NORMALIZING AS MUCH AS WE CAN AND BRINGING IT BACK TO WHAT IT IS.

BUT SUPPORTS ARE HUGE.

>> YES.

YES.

SUICIDE, I WILL START WITH YOU CHRISTY.

MAYBE TOP K WE DON'T LIKE TO TALK ABOUT AS WELL?

SHOULD?

I AM LOOKING TO YOU, CHRISTY, AS FAR AS HOW ARE WE DOING WITH THIS TOPIC ?

>> YEAH.

SO I JUST GOT DONE, ACTUALLY, TEAM ARE TEAMING A THREE AND A HALF HOUR COURSE ON ZOOM.

>> OH-OH.

YOU KNOW WHAT?

THAT THIS PI, I AM ALL FOR THAT.

ALL GOOD?

BT THE DOG.

LET ME GO TO YOU ON THAT.

>> PELT THE DOG.

>> YEAH.

YES.

>> HERE HE GOES.

OUTSIDE.

ALL RIGHT.

I WILL START WITH YOU AND GO BACK TO YOU.

YEAH.

SURE.

ABC.

IS REALLY IMPORTANT, ACTUALLY, TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT SUICIDE.

AGE AS A COMMUNITY.

YOU THINK WE HAVE DONE SOME WORK ON THAT ALREADY.

I KNOW THAT CERTAINLY, I HAVE SEEN CHRISTY'S ORGANIZATION THROUGHOUT DOING A LOT OF GREAT WORK AND I THINK SHOUTEDOUT TO STUM OUT STIGMA THAT I SAW THE WALK THAT HAPPENED AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS BRING VISIBILITY TO THE QUESTIONS.

FIRST OF ALL.

THINK THE PEOPLE LISTENING SHOULD KNOW THAT YOU DON'T CAUTION ANYONE TO THINK ABOUT SUICIDE BY ASKING THEM ABOUT IT.

SO THAT KINDS OF THIS, YOU KNOW, A MISBELIEF THAT PEOPLE HAVE SOMETIMES HONESTLY YOU WILL HOT DID THAT.

IF SOMEBODY IS AC IN A STRANGE WAY OR WORRY ABOUT THEM.

YOU SHOULD ASK IF THEY THOUGHT ABOUT HAVING ABOUT HURTING THEM HE OR WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION.

MANY PEOPLE WILL RESPOND POS TOUGHLY TO THAT AND BE FEARING THE HELP.

>> THANK.

SO WANT TO MAKE SURE TO SAY THAT.

1:00 I ONE OTHER THING I WOULD NOTE I IN OUR COMMUNITY MANY ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE HAVE ZERO SUICIDE INITIATIVE WHICH IS CLINICAL AND INTERVENTION PROGRAM AND IT BEGAN ACTUALLY IN DETROIT AREA WITH HENRY FORD HOSPITAL AND THAT PROGRAM WRAP AROUND PEOPLE IN A COMPREHENSIVE WAY.

SO ANYTHING FROM EDUCATION AND COMMUNITY AND ALL THE WAY TO INTERVEGS THAT MAY NEED TO HAPPEN AND FILL IN THE GAPS BECAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE FALL IN-BETWEEN THE GAP AND DON'T GET THE HELP THEY NEED.

THAT IS SOMETHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO.

HOPE NETWORK HAS A GRANT TON PROVIDE EDUCATION TO THE COMMUNITY AND GOING TO BE OUT IN THE FALL.

WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THAT POSSIBILITY AND PARTNERING WITH THE COMMUNITY IN THE WHICH AND GETTING THE INFORMATION THROUGHOUT.

>> WONDERFUL.

BACK TO YOU, CHRISTIE BE WHERE THEN MICHAEL.

>> YEAH.

YEAH.

SO ANYWAY.

OBVIOUSLY, MENTAL HEALTH IS A CORINGS WE TEACH AND ALONG WITH BEING A NICE ACTION PLAN.

IT IS FOUR SIMPLE TEP STEPS TO RECOGNIZE DEPRESSION AND REVENT SUICIDE.

SO DEPRESSION, NINE OUT OF TEN TIMES AND SOMEONE DIES BUY DUE SIDE.

THEY HAVE ILLNESS CALLED DEPRESSION.

THE ILLNESS ALONG WITH POSSIBLY ANOTHER MENTAL HEALTH DY DIGS ORDER OR SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER.

SO IF I CAN BE TRAINED IN ARE RECOGNIZING DEPRESSION, SIGNS AND SYMPTOM, THEYON SET, RIGHT?

WHAT IS NOT TYPICAL OF THIS PERSON, TAKE IT SERIOUSLY, NOT DISMISSING THIS, AND ALONG WITH UNDERSTANDING RACE FACTORS THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WITH EDUCATION, GOOD EDUCATION, AND REGARDING MENTAL HEALTH.

THEN, THEN, IF I IMPLEMENT AND PUT INTO ACTION ASKING THE QUESTION, ARE YOU THINKING OF SUICIDE, THAT WILL SAFE A LIFE.

IT REALLY WITH.

THEY HAVE PROVE THAN.

ASKING THE QUESTION ACTUALLY CAN HELP A PERSON BRING IT TO THE FOREFRONT ABOUT HAVING THOSE THOUGHTANCE FEELINGS AND THEN IN ADDITION, BEING READY WITH RESOURCES.

SO THE SOURCES WE TEACH AND THE DOM IN THIS ARE FOCUSED ON ASKING THE QUESTION.

WE JUST WHERE IT AND BOOK.

IT IS CALLED BE NICE.

FOUR SIMPLE STEPS TO RECOGNIZE DEPRESSION AND SAVING LIVES.

IT WILL BE DONE IN JUNE.

HEN, IT TAKES THROUGH THE FOUR STEPS OF THE ACTION PLAN.

I JUST LIKE I SAID A MOMENT AGO.

I GOT DONE TEACHING A CLASS AND 45-MACHINES IS ALL ABOUT HOW DO YOU ASK THE QUESTION.

AND IT IS NOT THAT EASY TO JUMP IN AND DONE THAT AND YOU GUILTY TO BE TRAINED IN WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR AND WHAT YOU ARE SEEING THAT COULD BE AT RISK BECAUSE WHEN I STARTED THE CONVERSATION WITH SOMEONE DOWN THE JOURNEY.

WANT TO LET THEM KNOW.

MAN.

AM CONCERNED.

YOUR MOM DIED RECENTLY.

AM READING ON FACEBOOK THE OR DAY YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT TAKE HERRING LIFE.

NEED TO ASK YOU.

ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT SUICIDE.

WASES THAT SCAREFULLY SURE IT WAS.

AND TERRIFIED OF THE ANSWER, BUT WE HAVE TRAININGS AVAILABLE.

PEOPLE ARE GOING ON THE WEBSITE, BE NICE.

ORG, SIGN UP.

AND BE READY TO HAVE THAT SO THAT TOOL READY TO GO IN BY BACK POCKET SHARING YOUR WORDS WITH B THIS.

YEAH.

I EK WHAT HAS BEEN SAID SO FAR THE NUMBER ONE THING IS NORMALIZING THE CONVERSATION AND HERE SECOND STORY ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO IS EVERY TIME WE HAVE A FIRST APPOINTMENT WE TAKE A PART OF THAT APPOINTMENT TO REVIEW EVERYBODY WHETHER THEY MENTIONED SUE SUED OR NOT TO TALK ABOUT SUICIDE BECAUSE WE WANT TO PRACTICE NORMALIZING THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE STATISTICS DO SHOW IF YOU ARE ABLE TO TALKING ABOUT WHERE YOU ARE AT, THEN YOU ARE THAT PLACE WHERE THAT MAKES SENSE TO YOU THEN THAT IS THE STEP THAT WILL SOLVE WHAT ARE DEALING WITH THEN IT IS SO ISOLATING AND THAT HAVING PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT AFRAID OF STEPPING IN BECAUSE I THINK TO SHARE MEANS I AMING TO PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO JUDGE AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE AFRAID OF.

THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE.

SO I THINK BEING ABLE TO PRESEN SOMETHING TO SOMEBODY, LIKE I AM A SAFE PLACE, AND I AM NOT GOING TO GET OVERWHELMED BY WHAT YOU ARE TELLING ME BECAUSE THEY DO SHOW, IF ARE ABLE TOLL TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE GOING THROUGH IT REDUCES THE LIKELIHOOD YOU WILL SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETE A SUICIDE AND SO I THINK, NORMALIZING THOSE BEHAVIOR THEN I THINK AS THERAPISTS IT IS HARD AT TIMES TO FEEL NORMAL IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

AND BECAUSE IT CAN BE VERY, VERY INTENSE AND OVERWHELMING ANSON IF IT US OVERWHELMING AND INTENSE FOR US.

I CAN ONLY IMAGINE HOW INTENSE IT IS FOR SOMEBODY HOB FEELS THEY MAY NOT HAVE THE TRAINING BUT WORK ON HAVING THAT TYPE OF COME FORT WITH IT, AND BEING THAT TYPE OF PLACE, FOR ANY OF THE LOVED ONES WOULD BE THE NUMBER ONE THING YOU CAN DO TO REDOS THE LIKELIHOOD THEY WOULD COMPLETE A SUICIDE.

YES.

>> LOOKING TO WIND DOWN AND SO I THINK IN TERMS OF IN TERMS OF SUICIDE REVENGES.

THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE WONDERING ABOUT?

>> YEAH.

YES.

AND/OR.

>> YES.

YES.

I THINK, CERTAINLY, ALL GREAT POINTS BUT SUICIDE PREVENTION AND I THINK CHRISTIE'S, YOU KNOW, WHEN TALKING ABOUT MAKING SHORE YOU HAVE RESOURCES AVAILABLE, AND I KNOW MICHAEL MENTIONED EARLIER THE ACCESS TO CARE AND ISSUE WE HAVE HAD A LONG STABBING PROBLEM.

THOSE THINGS REALLY ARE IMPORTANT IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVING A CONVERSATION A LOVED ONE.

IT IS REALLY GOOD TO HAVE A NUMBER OR TWO ON HAND, AND BUT, REALLY, THERE IS HELP AVAILABLE.

GOOD HELP IN OUR COME TIN.

LOTS OF DIFFERENT PLACES YOU CAN CALL.

PEOPLE YOU CAN REACH OUT TO, SO PLEASE, YOU KNOW, DON'T HESITATE TO DO THAT HOMEWORK.

IT WON TAKE YOU LONG TO FIND WHAT YOU NEED.

THE OTHER THING I MIGHT MENTION IS THAT TIME SOMETIMES THE FIRST TIME YOU GET STARTED WITH SOMETHING.

YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE RATING FILTH BECAUSE YOU MAY BE NOT CLICK THE FOR NEIGHS SAW FIRST OR YOU STARTED ON A MEDICATION AND THEN IT IS NOT WORKING.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT IS ALL WRONG.

IT WILL NEVER WORK.

SOMETIMES THESE THINGS ARE A BIT OF TRIL AND ERROR AND DOES TAKE THE BIT TO GET THE RIGHT FILTH OR FEEL AND DON'T BE AFRAID TO DO MORE OF THAT TO TRY TO GET TREATMENT.

>> YES.

HOW DO WE FIND OUT MORE ABOUT YOU SAN HOPE NETWORK?

>> , HOPE NETWORK, LOOK SAID.

THE ORGANIZATION ALL OVER MICHIGAN.

WE HAVE A WEBSITE.

SO MOMENT WORK.

ORG IS A LIST OF SERVICES WE HAVE AND HAPPY TO GET CALLS AND BE HELPFUL.

THE PEOPLE WILL CONNECT YOU TO WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW.

GREAT THANK YOU.

THANK YOU TO YOU.

MICHAEL WHAT IS THE TAKE TAKE HOME MESSAGE US TO.

WE HAVE TO BE AWARE OF OUR MENTAL HALL AND WHAT IS GOING ON AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE STAFF IS THAT A LOT OF RESOURCES WE TYPICALLY USE TO HIP HAVE MOVED TO A RISK CATEGORY AND GO TO THE GYM TO EXERCISE AND THE GAMES PLACE WHERE COVID SPREADS IS THAT SAFE FOR ME.

HAMMING WITHOUT MY FAM RY.

GOING TO MY KNIFE AND I LOVE TO GO OUT TO EAT AND ONE OF THE WAYS WE DESTRESS AND NOW THAT IS A RISK WE ARE TRYING TO GET REATIVE IN THINK THROUGH THE RESOURCE THEN AGAIN.

THEN ALSOS TO WORK ON THAT PROCESS OF TAKING TO THOSE RISKS OR RESOURCE OUT OF THAT RISK CAT FOR ARE AND PUTTING THEM BACK TO WHERE THEY ARE POSED TO BE AND THINGS THAT HELP OUR MENTAL HEALTH NOT CAUTION US ADDITIONAL STRESS OR WORRY.

I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING WE ARE BEGINNING TO THINK THROUGH.

WHAT IS YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION FOR US MICHAEL?

>> WAY.

YOU CAN WATCH REACHES ON-LINE.

CAN REACH US BY PHONE.

AND BY E-MAIL AT SETTLING AT SECOND STORY DOUSE COUNSELING DON P.M. WONDER.

>> I CAN NEVER LEAVE A PRESENTATION WITHOUT PASSING OUT THE PHONE NUMBER 800-273-82855.

S THAT INNATIONAL SUICIDE PREVENTION HOTLINE.

THEY ALSO HAVE A TEXT LINE.

741-741.

PUT IN THE SEND AND SEND THE MESSAGE HELP.

AND YOU WILL BE CONNECTED TO RESOURCE LOCALLY I WOULD HAVE AT MY FINGER TIP AND PHONE NUMBERS PINE REST LOCALLY HERE IN GRAND RAPIDS MICHIGAN AND HAVE HELP LINES THEY ALSO DO EXITMENTS IF YOU ARE I THISSING ABOUT SUICIDE THEN ALSO, IF YOU ARE EMPLOYED CHECK INTO YOUR BENEFIT AND SEE IF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO PROGRAM.

THEY ARE RIGHT THERE FOR THE TAKING THEN BENEFIT THAT GOES MANY TIMES SO LOVE RESOURCE I AGREE TOGETHER WHETHER I BOTH.

AND THEY ARE THINGS YOU MAY HAVE IN THE BACK POCKET THAT CUE HELP YOURSELF WITH AND HELP OTHERS.

>> YES.

BY SAYING NICE.

BE NICE.

BE NATION.