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>> CATHY: TONIGHT WE'LL REMEMBER OUR FRIEND, LEGENDARY SPORTS REPORT LARRY FITZGERALD SENIOR, WHO DIED MONDAY.

SHANNON WATSON WILL PREVIEW "WHAT WE CAN DO WEEK."

WE'LL MEET THE NEW VICE CHAIR OF THE GOVERNOR'S COUNCIL ON RECORDING THE TRUTH FOLLOWING FEDERAL IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT.

AND MARY LAHAMMER HAS BEEN TRACKING ENDORSEMENTS AND PRIMARIES.

>> Mary: MINNESOTA POLITICS NOW MOVES FROM THE CONVENTION STAGE TO THE PRIMARY ELECTION.

AND IT'S GOING TO BE A BUSY SUMMER.

WE'LL SET IT UP.

>> THE DEMUTH-WILSON TICKET HAS JUST FILED FOR THE PRIMARY.

[ Cheers and applause ] >> WE WON THIS ENDORSEMENT BY ORGANIZING ALL OVER THE STATE OF MINNESOTA.

>> Mary: THAT'S COMING UP ON "ALMANAC."

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>> CATHY: TONIGHT ON "ALMANAC," QUARTET SELENE JOINS US FOR SOME LIVE MUSIC.

THEY'RE TERRIFIC.

MEDIA LAW PROFESSOR JANE KIRTLEY RETIRES.

FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA.

AND OUR POLITICAL SCIENCE PANEL IS READY TO TALK ENDORSEMENTS, PRIMARIES, AND MORE.

>> ERIC: BUT WE START THE SHOW WITH THIS WEEK'S ANNOUNCEMENT THAT GOVERNOR WALZ HAS APPOINTED MEMBERS OF THE NEW "MINNESOTA TRUTH COUNCIL," THE GROUP TASKED WITH COMPILING A PUBLIC RECORD OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION ACTION AND THE COMMUNITY'S RESPONSE.

JOINING US NOW IS VICE CHAIR OF THE COUNCIL.

JENNIFER PRESTHOLDT ALSO WORKS AS DEPUTY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AT THE ADVOCATES FOR HUMAN RIGHTS.

HOW DO YOU SEE YOUR GROUP FITTING INTO THE RESEARCH?

>> WELL, I'M REALLY HAPPY TO TELL YOU ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE THE ADVOCATES FOR HUMAN RIGHTS IS THE IMPLEMENTING PARTNER FOR THE MINNESOTA TRUTH COUNCIL.

AND SO AS SOON AS THE GOVERNOR SIGNED THE EXECUTIVE ORDER BACK IN MARCH, WE STARTED DEVELOPING A PROCESS FOR COLLECTING STORIES FROM MINNESOTANS ABOUT WHAT THE HARMFUL IMPACTS AND THE REALLY POSITIVE, RESILIENT STRATEGIES THAT PEOPLE DID.

>> Cathy: IS THIS LIKE AN ORAL HISTORY PROJECT IN A SENSE?

>> IN ONE SENSE IT IS, IN THAT A BIG PART OF THE ORK WILL BE HEARING FROM PEOPLE AND COLLECTING THEIR STORIES.

>> Cathy: AND TESTIMONIES.

I WONDER, DOES THAT INCLUDE EVERYONE?

WOULD YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM, SAY, AN I.C.E.

AGENT OR A DETAINEE?

>> THE STORY COLLECTION PROCESS IS OPEN TO EVERYONE.

AND, YES, WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT STORY, WHAT HAPPENED HERE IN MINNESOTA.

AND EVERYBODY'S STORY IS IMPORTANT.

EVERYBODY HAS A PIECE OF THAT.

AND WE HAVE TO HEAR EVERY STORY IN ORDER TO SEE THE BIG PICTURE, DOCUMENT WHAT HAPPENED.

>> Eric: SO IF SOMEBODY SUPPORTED THE SURGE, THEY STILL MIGHT GET A PIECE OF THIS?

>> THEY ABSOLUTELY ARE WELCOME TO CONTRIBUTE AND TELL THEIR STORIES.

>> Cathy: WHAT WILL THE MECHANISMS?

>> SO THE GOVERNOR SIGNED AN EXECUTIVE ORDER CREATING THE TRUTH COUNCIL.

AND THERE'S A CHAIR.

I SERVES THE VICE CHAIR, AS THE ADVOCATES' REPRESENTATIVE.

THERE'S A REPRESENTATIVE FROM ACLU AND THERE ARE 5 COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

SO THE COUNCIL ITSELF IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DIRECTING THE ADVOCATES IN -- WE'RE DOING THE STORY COLLECTION, BUT THEY ARE DIRECTING THE PUBLIC MEETINGS.

SO THERE WILL BE FOUR PUBLIC MEETINGS.

THEY'LL PROBABLY START AT THE END F AUGUST, GO THROUGH SEPTEMBER.

AND THEN THERE'S A REPORT.

AND THE REPORT IS PRELIMINARY REPORT, AND FINDINGS ARE DUE OCTOBER 31ST, AND FINAL REPORT DECEMBER 1ST.

>> Cathy: YOU MENTIONED OF COURSE THE SURGE HAD A LOT OF TERRIBLE THINGS ASSOCIATED WITH IT, OBVIOUSLY.

BUT THERE WERE GOOD THINGS.

HOW DO YOU DOCUMENT THOSE AND WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR?

>> WELL, WE'RE LOOKING TO HEAR FROM ALL OF THE FOLKS THAT REALLY STEPPED UP TO HELP THEIR MAKE NEIGHBORS, TO SUPPORT THEIR NEIGHBORS.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT WAS CHURCH GROUPS, WHETHER THAT WAS SCHOOL COMMUNITIES, IT'S THE SAME PROCESS.

AND SO WE HAVE A STORY COLLECTION PROCESS.

YOU CAN KALGT THE YOU CAN KALGT CONTACT THE ADVOS AND PROVIDE AN INDIVIDUAL STORY, OR YOU CAN WORK WITH YOUR GROUP.

AND SO WE'RE WORKING WITH PARTNER ORGANIZATIONS ON THAT AS WELL.

>> Eric: WHAT IS YOUR EXPECTATIONS FOR HOW THE WORK PRODUCT WILL BE USED AFTER IT'S COMPLETED.

>> ELL, THE GOAL IS TO DOCUMENT WHAT HAPPENED, CREATE A PUBLIC RECORD OF WHAT HAPPENED URING THIS TIME.

>> Eric: DOES IT GO TO THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY?

>> WELL, WE DON'T KNOW YET.

YOU KNOW, IT'S EARLY DAYS AND THE COUNCIL WILL MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S A REALLY, REALLY INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE THAT HISTORY, TO CREATE THAT PUBLIC RECORD.

AND SO I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT IN THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY OR SEE IT IN SOME SORT OF PUBLIC -- PUBLIC WAY.

>> Cathy: THAT WOULD BE NICE.

YOU KNOW, LOOKING BACK, I'M KIND OF A ARMCHAIR HISTORIAN AND IT'S INTERESTING THAT THE ADVOCATES FOR HUMAN RIGHTS HAS DOCUMENTED TESTIMONY FROM PEOPLE IN HE KHMER ROUGE, PEOPLE IN SIERRA LEONE, LIBERIA, OTHER AREAS OF THE WORLD AND WHAT IS THAT PRODUCT T TURNED OUT TO BE?

>> WELL, RECOMMENDATIONS ARE USUALLY PART OF A PROCESS LIKE THAT, SO RECOMMENDATIONS FOR POLICY CHANGE AND REBUILDING AND RECOVERY.

AND SO WE DO SEE THAT THOSE KINDS OF PRACTICES FROM THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY, THE BEST PRACTICES, WE'RE BRINGING THOSE INTO THE MINNESOTA TRUTH COUNCIL AS WELL.

AND SO THE REPORT WILL MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR POLICY CHANGE.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE ASKING MINNESOTANS FOR AS WELL.

WE'RE ASKING MINNESOTANS TO SHARE THEIR STORIES, BUT ALSO TO SHARE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.

WHAT NEEDS TO CHANGE?

TO PREVENT RECURRENCE?

WHAT NEEDS TO CHANGE IN ORDER TO HELP US RECOVER AS A COMMUNITY?

>> Eric: LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE PROGRESS ON THIS THING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING OVER.

>> YEAH, HAPPY TO BE HERE.

>> CATHY: FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MINNESOTA HISTORY.

DEMOCRATS HAVE FILED FOR EVERY LEGISLATIVE OFFICE.

IT'S THE FEWEST REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE FILED SINCE WATERGATE.

BUT BOTH PARTIES ARE BUSY PUSHING TO THE PRIMARY ELECTION AHEAD.

IN AUGUST.

POLITICAL REPORTER MARY LAHAMMER HAS ALL THE ACTION AT THE CAPITOL.

>> I AM HAPPY TO TELL YOU THAT THE DEMUTH-WILSON TICKET HAS JUST FILED FOR THE PRIMARY.

[ Cheers and applause ] >> Mary: HOUSE SPEAKER LISA DEMUTH VOWED NOT TO RUN IN A PRIMARY FOR GOVERNOR, SO CHANGING COURSE IS NOTEWORTHY.

MADAM SPEAKER, WHAT WAS YOUR BERN ONE FACTOR?

>> THE FACT THAT YESTERDAY, AS THE STATE PARTY CHAIR CAME OUT WITH A MESSAGE SAYING THAT THERE WERE ENOUGH ANOMALIES THAT NO ONE WAS GOING TO BE HELD TO THAT ENDORSEMENT BECAUSE OF THE PROCESS THAT TOOK PLACE ON SATURDAY.

THAT FELT LIKE A FULL RELEASE THAT WE COULD GO FORWARD.

>> Mary: STATE REPUBLICANS HAD ISSUES ITH VOTING TECHNOLOGY AT A CONVENTION WITH CONTROVERSY.

INCLUDING A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR A POLICE OFFICER CONVICTED OF KILLING GEORGE FLOYD AND THE CELEBRATION OF MEN WHO DEFEATED WOMEN FOR THE ENDORSEMENT, INCLUDING LONGTIME CANDIDATE KENDALL QUALS.

>> ALL OF US ARE ABOUT FATIGUED OF GENDER IDEOLOGY, IDENTITY IDEOLOGY, RACE IDEOLOGY, WE'RE DONE WITH IT.

>> Mary: DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR, U.S.

SENATOR AMY KLOBUCHAR, FACED RESISTANCE FROM PROGRESSIVES AT HER CONVENTION, BUT ULTIMATELY EARNED THE ENDORSEMENT.

YOU'RE NOT THE FIRST WOMAN.

ARE YOU GOING TO BE THE FIRST ONE THAT ACTUALLY WINS AND GETS TO THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE?

>> YES, AND HERE ARE SO MANY ROLE MODELS OUT THERE ARE FOR ME OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN IN THE LEGISLATURE.

OF COURSE I'M THINKING ABOUT TWO EADERS WHO ARE NO LONGER WITH US, KARI DZIEDZIC, WHO IS A GOOD FRIEND AND OF COURSE MELISSA HORTMAN.

YOU LOOK AT THE STRENGTH OF THOSE LEADERS AND SO MANY WOMEN TODAY IN THE LEGISLATURE, WHO HAVE LED.

AND I THINK PEOPLE ARE READY FOR THIS.

YEARS AGO, I'M NOT SURE THEY WERE READY FOR A WOMAN BEING IN CHARGE.

>> Mary: REPUBLICANNED ENDORSED A MAN FOR GOVERNOR AND THAT CANDIDATE YELLS THE BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWN.

>> THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING.

THANKS FOR DOING GOOD REPORTING.

>> Mary: WITH SENATOR KLOBUCHAR ON THE BALLOT, DO YOU THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A WOMAN GOING FORWARD FOR REPUBLICANS ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE COMMENT FROM KENDALL QUALS AT THE CONVENTION, SAYING THE BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWN.

>> SO, MARY, YOU KNOW I AM NOT IDENTITY POLITICS.

WE HAVE WORKED TOGETHER IN THIS CAPACITY LONG ENOUGH.

THE BEST UALIFIED CANDIDATE IS THE ONE THAT MINNESOTANS WILL CHOOSE.

I AM THE BEST QUALIFIED REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE, NO MATTER WHAT.

FOR ANY MAN, NY PLACE, ANY PARTY, TO CONTINUE TO HOLD WOMEN DOWN S WRONG.

I AM THE BEST QUALIFIED CANDIDATE.

AND I HAPPEN TO BE -- I FEEL LIKE EWE'VE SAID THIS MULTIPLE TIMES.

I HAPPEN TO BE A WOMAN.

IF YOU WANT ME TO GO THERE EARLY, A BLACK WOMAN.

IS THAT HELPING SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO ASK THE NEXT QUESTION?

THAT WILL BE HISTORIC.

>> Mary: EMUTH SAYS AN ENDORSEMENT BY PRESIDENT TRUMP IS -- >> YES, LOVE TO GET PRESIDENT TRUMP'S ENDORSEMENT.

HE'S THE SITTING PRESIDENT THAT WE HAVE TODAY AND THE CASE IS THIS.

WE'RE -- THE PEOPLE HAVE DECIDED TO ENDORSE THIS CAMPAIGN, THIS CANDIDATE.

AND WE ARE IN THE TURNAROUND OPERATION.

I'M A BUSINESSMAN, OUTSIDE OF THE TRADITIONAL POLITICS.

VERY SIMILAR PROFILE.

VERY SIMILAR BACKGROUND.

>> Mary: REPUBLICANS SPENT THE WEEK ANSWERING QUESTION IS AS BOUT HONORING AN OFFICER CONVICTED OF MURDER.

DID YOU THINK IT WAS APPROPRIATE AND WOULD YOU PARDON HIM IF THAT WERE TO COME TO YOUR DESK?

>> AGAIN, I WASN'T ON THE FLOOR.

THE ABILITY FOR A GOVERNOR TO DO ANY TYPE OF PARDONS, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A PARDON BOARD.

THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO ANY TYPE OF DECISION.

>> THIS IS SOMEONE WHO WAS CONVICTED OF MURDER AND ALSO THEY AVEN'T REALLY BACKTRACKED FROM ALLOWING IT TO HAPPEN OR APOLOGIZED TO ANYONE IN GEORGE FLOYD'S FAMILY AND THE LIKE, AND I JUST THINK IT WAS WRONG.

>> Mary: THE RACE FOR GOVERNOR ISN'T THE ONLY THING TO WATCH THIS SUMMER.

DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS BOTH HAVE HEATED MATCHUPS IN THEIR PRIMARIES FOR THE U.S.

SENATE.

>> WE ARE SO EXCITED THAT AT THIS WEEKEND'S CONVENTION IN ROCHESTER, WE ENDORSED LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR PEGGY FLANAGAN FOR THE U.S.

SENATE.

[ Cheers and applause ] >> Mary: DEMOCRATS CURRENTLY CONTROL ALL THE STATEWIDE OFFICES, AND HAD AN ORGANIZED OPERATION FOR THEIR ENDORSED CANDIDATES.

>> HAVING THE FULL SUPPORT OF THE DFL BEHIND THIS CAMPAIGN, IT'S PRETTY POWERFUL.

>> Mary: REPUBLICAN ENDORSED CANDIDATES FOR STATEWIDE OFFICE, SHOWED UP TO FILE OFFICIAL PAPERWORK TOGETHER, POSING WITH THE OLD STATE FLAG, BUT WITHOUT AN ANNOUNCEMENT OR COORDINATION WITH THEIR PARTY FOLLOWING THEIR CONVENTION.

>> THIS IS OUR TIME.

THIS IS WHEN WE CROSS THE DELAWARE AND TAKE BACK OUR STATE.

AND WE DO IT BY FIGHTING TOGETHER AS A TEAM.

SO THANK YOU FOR CHOOSING ME.

I WILL NOT COMPROMISE.

I WILL FIGHT FOR YOU.

I WILL FIGHT IN DCHED I WILL FIGHT IN DCH D.C.

AND WE WILL FIGHT TO TAKE BACK OUR STATE OTHER.

>> Mary: ADAM SCHWARTZ YE, A NAVY SEAL, TOOK THE ENDORSEMENT, OSSINI WHITE WHO'S CONTINUING TO THE PRIMARY BUT SO TOO WILL THE PRIMARY CHALLENGER, FORMER SPORTS BROADCASTER MICHELLE TAFOYA.

>> HAVE NOTHING BUT RESPECT FOR ALL OF YOU.

THANK YOU.

>> Mary: DEMOCRATIC CHALLENGER, CONGRESSWOMAN ANGIE CRAIG IS COUNTING ON VOTERS TO SEE FLANAGAN AS TOO PROGRESSIVE FOR THE U.S.

SENATE AND CONNECTED TO FRAUD IN THE WALZ ADMINISTRATION.

>> JUST DOESN'T REFLECT THE FULL SCOPE OF THE PARTY THAT WE ARE.

AND THE PURPLE STATE THAT WE HAVE BECOME.

>> CONGRESSWOMAN CRAIG, SHE WAS THE ONLY MINNESOTA DEMOCRAT TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE LAKEN RILEY ACT WHICH STRIPS IMMIGRANTS OF DUE PROCESS.

ALLOWS FOR INDEFINITE DETENTION OF ADULTS AND CHILDREN.

AND I THINK REALLY GAVE THE GREEN LIGHT FOR WHAT WE SAW HAPPEN HERE IN OUR STATE.

♪ ♪ >> ERIC: NEARLY A YEAR AGO, HOUSE SPEAKER EMERITA MELISSA HORTMAN AND HER HUSBAND MARK WERE ASSASSINATED IN THEIR HOME, AND MANY OTHER LAWMAKERS WERE LISTED AS TARGETS.

AS THE ANNIVERSARY NEARS, "WHAT WE CAN DO WEEK" RETURNS TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER ACROSS THE POLITICAL DIVIDE.

MAJORITY IN THE MIDDLE'S SHANNON WATSON JOINS US NOW TO PREVIEW NEXT WEEK'S EVENTS.

WHAT IS "WHAT AN WE DO WEEK"?

>> SO IT IS AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION THAT EVERYBODY WAS ASKING AT THIS TIME LAST YEAR WAS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE ACTS OF POLITICAL VIOLENCE.

THERE'S SO MUCH DIVISION.

WHAT CAN WE DO?

SO WE CREATED SORT OF AN UMBRELLA TIME FRAME WHERE PEOPLE CAN FOCUS ON THINGS THAT THEY CAN DO TO OVERCOME DIVIDES, TO GET ALONG WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS AND JUST TRY TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, LITTLE THINGS MATTER.

SOMETIMES BIG THINGS MATTER, BUT LITTLE THINGS MATTER TOO.

SO THIS IS A TIME TO REALLY FOCUS ON THAT.

>> Cathy: LOT OF US DEALS WITH BEING CIVIL.

>> YEAH.

>> Cathy: WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO.

WHICH IS A SKILL THAT CAN BE LEARNED.

IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU HELP PEOPLE LEARN THESE SORTS OF VERY IMPORTANT SOCIAL SKILLS?

>> YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FOUR ZOOM CONVERSATIONS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A STATEWIDE INITIATIVE, AND SO WE WANT IT TO BE ACCESSIBLE FROM ACROSS THE STATE.

AND ACTUALLY ONE OF THE CLASSES IS ON MEDIATION SKILLS FOR NONMEDIATORS.

>> Eric: I SEE ONE OF THE CO-CHAIRS OF THE CIVILITY CAUCUS, REPRESENTATIVE FEIST IS LEAVING THE LEGISLATURE.

>> SHE IS, YES, S IS KRISTIN ROBBINS WHO IS THE THER CO-CHAIR.

>> Cathy: WHAT OES THAT MEAN?

>> I THINK IT MEANS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME OTHERS TO STEP UP.

THOSE TWO HAVE DONE GREAT WORK OVER THE YEARS AND THEY'VE BEEN THE FACE OF THIS FOR A LONG TIME.

SO, YOU KNOW, JUST AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEBODY ELSE.

>> Eric: THERE AS HOPE THAT WHAT I CALL THE HORTMAN HOFFMAN SPIRIT WAS GOING TO PLAY A ROLE IN THE LEGISLATURE E SESSION.

DID IT?

>> I THINK IT DID, NOT NECESSARILY IN THE WAY THAT WE ALL SORT OF EXPECTED.

I THINK THE REMINDER OF WHAT WE LOST WAS VERY PREVALENT.

I REALLY ENJOYED ATCHING SENATOR HOFFMAN THIS YEAR, AND BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, HE HAS HAD SOME EXTRA CLARITY AND EXTRA SENSE OF PURPOSE FROM DOING THIS WORK.

BUT HE ALSO -- HE AS SHOULDERED AN EXTRA BURDEN.

AND IN TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, ADVOCATE FOR THAT CIVILITY, FOR THE, YOU KNOW, NOT USING DEHUMANIZATION -- DEHUMANIZING LANGUAGE, AND SO SHE'S BEEN SORT OF OUT FRONT OF THAT.

I DO THINK THE BIGGEST THING THAT WE LOST WITH SPEAKER EMERITA HORTMAN THIS YEAR WAS HER SPIRIT OF COLLABORATION, AND HER EXPECTATION THAT MEMBERS OF HER CAUCUS WOULD WORK TOGETHER WITH REPUBLICANS AND GET THINGS DONE.

AND WITHOUT THAT SORT OF CONSTANT REMINDER FROM HER AND THAT EXAMPLE, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THEY ALTERED A LITTLE BIT THIS YEAR.

>> Cathy: SO ACCIDENT THEN THAT THIS EVENT IS KIND OF KEYED AROUND THE FIRST YEAR ANNIVERSARY IS COMING UP, OH, MY GOODNESS, ON JUNE 14TH, I THINK.

>> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY, SO WHAT WE CAN DO WEEK IS RUNNING MONDAY THE 8TH THROUGH SUNDAY THE 14TH.

WE'RE NOT DOING ANY PROGRAMMING THAT DAY.

WE WANT TO LEAVE PLENTY OF SPACE FOR THE FAMILY AND PEOPLE WHO WERE CLOSE TO THE HORTMANS TO RECOGNIZE THAT DAY HOWEVER THEY WANT TO AND HOWEVER THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE.

THE ONE THING WE ARE GOING TO DO IS PUBLISH THE LIST OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE SIGNED THE CIVIC PLEDGE FOR A TRONGER MINNESOTA WITHIN THIS LAST YEAR.

WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET, AND SO WE THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD WAY TO MARK THE ANNIVERSARY.

>> Cathy: AND WHO'S PARTICIPATING IN THIS?

MOSTLY MODERATE INDIVIDUALS?

ARE YOU ABLE TO GET TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE ON BOTH POLARIZING ENDS OF EACH PARTY?

>> I THINK SO.

I THINK A LOT -- VIOLENCE TURNS HEADS.

AND IT SORT OF UNDERSCORED THE REASON THAT SOME PEOPLE NEED TO DO THIS WORK AND NEED TO BE SORT OF MORE ACCEPTING AND MORE WELCOMING OF OTHERS BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE ARE SORT OF PUSHED TO THE FRINGES, THAT'S GENERALLY WHERE THEY START FEELING DISCONNECTED, AND SO THE MORE WE CAN BRING PEOPLE IN, PARTICULARLY INSTEAD OF CALLING PEOPLE OUT, THE BETTER.

>> Eric: WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THE BIPARTISANSHIP REPORT?

>> YEAH, WE'RE WORKING ON THAT NOW.

THAT'S GOING TO BE RELEASED IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS.

>> Eric: ANY INKLING WHERE IT'S HEADS?

>> IT'S KIND OF ALL OVER THE BOARD.

THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR -- THIS IS OUR FOURTH REPORT, AND SO THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO COMPARE A COMPLETE BIENNIUM TO A COMPLETE BIENNIUM.

AND THEN OF COURSE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING CONTEXTUALLY, THAT FIRST BIENNIUM, YOU HAD THE D.F.L.

TRIFECTA AND DFLerS ALL IN CONTROL OF THE AGENDA AND HAVING ALL THE VOTES.

THIS YEAR WITH THE TIES, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE SENATE WAS TIED FOR A LITTLE BIT FOR THE FIRST PART OF THAT YEAR, THAT HAS ADD AID SOME DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS TO THE WORK AND HOW DIFFERENT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY REALLY WANTED TO GET THINGS DONE, HOW THEY NEEDED TO APPROACH THEIR BILL AUTHORSHIP.

>> Eric: KEEP US POSTED.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

♪ ♪ >> ARON: I WAS MUGGED FOR THE FIRST TIME LAST WEEK.

I WAS WALKING HOME AT 3:00 A.M.

BECAUSE -- DON’T WORRY ABOUT IT -- AND OUT OF THE DARKNESS, THIS SHADOWY FIGURE EMERGES.

AND IT'S A YOUNG WOMAN WITH A KNIFE WHO GOES, "GIVE ME EVERYTHING YOU GOT."

SO SEEING AS IT WAS A YOUNG WOMAN, I GAVE HER 70% OF EVERYTHING THAT I HAD.

THAT'S A JOKE ABOUT THE GENDER PAY GAP.

IT'S SILLY, A LITTLE VIOLENT, AND VERY POLITICAL.

AND I TOLD IT BECAUSE WHAT REALLY HAPPENED LAST WEEK WAS AN INDUSTRY LEADER IN STAND-UP COMEDY TOLD ME "PEOPLE DON'T LIKE HEARING POLITICAL COMEDY."

AND I SHOULD FOCUS ON COMEDY THAT A MINISTER AND A FIVE-YEAR-OLD CAN ENJOY.

AND IT GOT ME THINKING ABOUT HOW OFTEN PEOPLE ARE PANDERED TO.

PANDERING IN AND OF ITSELF ISN'T EVIL.

WHEN YOU JINGLE YOUR KEYS FOR A BABY, THAT'S NOT BAD.

THAT'S JUST A GOOD TIME FOR YOU AND THIS KID.

BUT IF THE BABY WERE TO ASK, "HEY, WHY DO YOU HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT CAR KEYS?

WHERE ARE YOU GETTING ALL OF THESE CARS?"

AND YOU REFUSE TO ANSWER, THAT'S BAD.

REFUSING NUANCE AND CURIOSITY FOR THE SAKE OF PANDERING IS PROBLEMATIC.

LIFE IS DETAILED AND COMPLICATED.

SO WHEN PEOPLE SUGGEST THAT I SHOULD BE MAKING THINGS MORE SIMPLISTIC AND PLAIN, I HAVE TO QUESTION THE MOTIVE.

WHY IS FRANK TRANSPARENCY SO BAD?

TO QUOTE MY BUTCHER, THE ONLY ONES WHO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE ARE VEGANS AND PIGS.

ARE YOU THE TYPE OF PERSON WHO IS OFFENDED AT THE IDEA OF THE GENDER PAY GAP?

OR ARE YOU THE TYPE OF PERSON WHO IS OFFENDED AT THE IDEA OF ME MENTIONING THE GENDER PAY GAP?

WHAT BOTHERS YOU MORE, THE INJUSTICE OR ME REMINDING YOU OF THE INJUSTICE?

BECAUSE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO IS PANDERING.

AND IF YOU'RE OFFENDED BY THE CORE CONCEPT OF THE JOKE, YOU'LL BE HAPPY TO HEAR IT DOESN'T STOP THERE.

BECAUSE AFTER I GAVE THE WOMAN 70% OF EVERYTHING THAT I HAD, SHE CALLED A GROUP OF PEOPLE OVER TO THREATEN ME.

SO I GAVE HER THE OTHER 30%.

AND I ASKED HER, "MADAM, IS THIS YOUR GANG?"

ONLY FOR HER TO REPLY, "EVEN BETTER.

IT'S MY UNION."

♪ ♪ >> Cathy: I GOT TO TELL YOU, WE WERE SHOCKED TO HEAR THAT OUR "ALMANAC" FRIEND, PIONEERING SPORTS JOURNALIST, LARRY FITZGERALD JUNIOR DIED MONDAY.

THE 71-YEAR-OLD CHICAGO NATIVE SPENT MORE THAN 45 YEARS COVERING MINNESOTA SPORTS WITH LONG STINTS AT THE "MINNESOTA SPOKESMAN RECORDER" NEWSPAPER AND ON KMOJ RADIO.

FITZGERALD TALKED SPORTS WITH US HERE ON THE "ALMANAC" SET -- AND AT THE STATE FAIR -- FOR NEARLY THREE DECADES.

HE WAS THE FIRST SPORTS JOURNALIST TO COVER A SUPERBOWL THAT HIS SON PLAYED IN.

WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE LARRY JUNIOR JOIN HIS DAD ON THE SET A NUMBER OF TIMES.

HERE'S A LOOK BACK AT SOME OF OUR FAVORITE CONVERSATIONS WITH FITZY THROUGH THE YEARS, INCLUDING HIS FIRST "ALMANAC" APPEARANCE BACK IN 1997 AND ONE OF HIS MOST RECENT, EARLIER THIS YEAR WHEN LARRY JUNIOR WAS NAMED TO THE PRO FOOTBALL HALL OF FAME.

LARRY FITZGERALD COVERS SPORTS FOR THE MINNEAPOLIS SPOKEMAN RECORDER, A HISTORIC BLACK NEWSPAPER.

DO THE TWINS HAVE ANY PLACE TO GO REALLY?

HEADING OUT WHERE?

>> THEY HAVE TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY HAVE SOMEWHERE TO GO.

THERE JUST IS NOWHERE TO GO RIGHT NOW.

THIS NEW DAY AND AGE OF SPORTS WHERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE CORPORATE SUPPORT.

AND FINANCIAL DOLLARS COMING OUT OF OUR TAXPAYERS' POCKETS AND I'VE THEY'VE BEEN WORN DOWN BY IT AND MINNESOTANS ARE SAYING, HEY, WE HAVE OTHER THINGS TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT AND THAT IS EDUCATION AND TAKING CARE OF OUR FAMILIES.

>> Cathy: THE VIKINGS, YOU'RE LAUGHING ALREADY, PUT THE VIKINGS ODDS OF WINNING THE SUPER BOWL, AT SIX TO ONE RIGHT NOW.

>> THEY'RE PAPER CHAMPIONS RIGHT NOW, RIGHT?

>> >> Eric: REMEMBER THAT LAST GAME OF THE YEAR.

DIDN'T THE CARDINALS DO SOMETHING TO MUCK UP THE WHOLE THING?

>> THEY DID.

AND I GUESS THE REMATCH WILL BE AUGUST 14TH WHEN LARRY PLAYS HIS FIRST GAME.

THE LYNX HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO GET YOU IN THE FOURTH QUARTER, WITH THEIR TALENT, THE DEPTH OF IT.

SIMONE IS AUGUSTUS IS THE REAL DEAL.

SHE'S ONE OF TWO OR THREE PLAYS IN THE WNBA WHO COULD PLAY IN THE NBA.

SHE'S THAT GOOD.

IF THIS DOESN'T HELP THEM BUILD THEIR TICKET -- THEY'RE THE BEST TEAM IN THIS CITY, PERIOD.

BEST TEAM IN THIS STATE, PERIOD.

IF YOU DON'T BUY TICKETS, YOU'RE CRAZY.

I DON'T MISS ANY MAJOR EVENTS IN MINNESOTA.

YOU KNOW, I'VE DONE 44 SUPER BOWLS.

>> Eric: AND YOU STILL GRACE US WITH YOUR PRESENCE.

>> IT'S A TREAT BEING WITH CATHY AND ERIC, MY LONG TIME FRIENDS AND MAN OF YOU.

THANK YOU.

ONE OF THE REASONS WHY HE STAYED HERE WAS THE SENSE OF LOYALTY.

HE OVED THIS COMMUNITY.

I THINK FOR ME, IT WAS ME JUDGING HIM AGAINST ANOTHER SUPERSTAR, IN THIS CASE KIRBY PUCKETT.

KIRBY MADE HIMSELF AVAILABLE AFTER EVERY GAME, WIN OR LOSE AND HE TOOK THE BULLETS AND THE HE TOOK THE ACCOLADES AS WELL.

JOE MAUER WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

JOE NOT NECESSARILY WOULD BE THE FIRST GUY.

YOU'D GO DOWN TO THE LOCKER ROOM, WAITING FOREVER, BUT THE SAME THING HAPPENED WITH KEVIN GARNETT.

EVERYBODY'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT BUT JOE WAS ALWAYS A TREAT TO DEAL WITH BECAUSE WHEN HE TALKED, HE DID TALK.

>> Eric: PEOPLE FORGET YOU WERE NAMED TO THE ALL CHICAGOLAND HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL TEAM IN THE SECOND HALF OF 20TH ENTURY.

SO YOU GOT TO GOING FOR YOU.

[ Laughter ] >> YEAH, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS -- IT WAS VERY REWARDING BECAUSE IT WAS FRUSTRATING TIME BEING IN HIGH SCHOOL IN CHICAGO, AND LOSING CHAM PENALSHIPS BUT THAT WAS REALLY ONE OF THE DAYS I'VE NEVER FORGET.

>> Eric: WHAT WAS IT LIKE HEARING THE ANNOUNCEMENT?

>> UNBELIEVABLE TO KNOW THAT YOU RAISE YOUR KIDS.

AND THEY BECOME -- THEY TAKE ON A LIFE OF THEIR OWN, YOU KNOW?

I REMEMBER LARRY TELL ME AND MARCUS THAT THEY WANTED TO PLAY FOOTBALL.

AND I TOLD THEM HOW TOUGH THE GAME WAS.

AND HOW SERIOUS THEY HAD TO BE IF YOU WERE GOING TO BE ABOUT TRYING TO BE A WINNER.

AND BEING A GOOD TEAMMATE.

>> CATHY: JOINING US TO TALK ABOUT LARRY FITZGERALD SENIOR'S LEGACY, CHARLES HALLMAN, SPORTS COLUMNIST AT THE "MINNESOTA SPOKESMAN RECORDER," WORKED WITH FITZGERALD FOR MORE THAN THREE DECADES; AND ERIC NELSON, LONGTIME TWIN CITIES SPORTS REPORTER WHO CO-HOSTED A RADIO SHOW WITH FITZGERALD.

BACK IN THE DAY.

IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU BOTH.

AND REALLY UNDER SAD CIRCUMSTANCES SO THANKS FOR BEING HERE WITH US TONIGHT.

CHARLES, WHAT MADE FITZY SUCH A GOOD REPORTER?

>> HE WANTED TO HEAR THE TRUTH.

AND DIDN'T HESITATE IN ASKING FOR IT.

I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, SO THEREFORE, IT WASN'T -- WELL, YOU GIVE HIM AN ANSWER AND HE'LL WALK AWAY FROM THAT.

NO, HE'LL FOLLOW THAT UP, FOLLOW IT, FOLLOW UP, AND EVEN AFTER THE INTERVIEW IS OVER, HE'LL FOLLOW IT P AGAIN JUST TO MAKE SURE HE GOT WHAT HE NEEDED TO GET AND HE WAS AGGRESSIVE IN THAT MANNER.

>> Cathy: BUT NOT DISAGREEABLY SO.

I NEVER THOUGHT THAT.

>> NO, NO, IT WAS NEVER SO POW-SY-WOWSY.

HE TALKED ABOUT KIRBY PUCKETT.

THEY HAD A GOOD RELATIONSHIP, BUT IF HE NEEDS TO ASK A TOUGH QUESTION.

HE WILL.

>> Eric: SEVERAL TIMES HE TOLD ME HE PATTERED HIS TECHNIQUE LIKE SID HARTMANN AND I WOULDN'T THINK THOSE TWO WOULD BE AN ODD COUPLE, YOU'D YOU'D SAY?

>> I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.

THEY WERE ALL ABOUT BEING AT EVENTS.

LARRY, A PRESS BOX FIXTURE.

SID, THE SAME THING.

IAND I AS THERE THE NIGHT AT THE METRODOME WHEN THEY HAD HAD A LITTLE DUSTUP WHERE LARRY THREW THE WATER INTO SID'S FACE.

BUT LATER ON, THEY PATCHED IT UP.

AND SUPER BOWL 32 AT SAN DIEGO AT THE PREGAME MATCH.

LARRY AND I WILL THERE.

SID COMES, SID PUTS HIS CHAIR RIGHT BETWEEN US.

SID, I GOT TO WARN US, LARRY'S HERE.

SID GOES, I DON'T CARE.

AND LARRY SHOWS UP.

THEY BROKE BREAD.

LARRY GRABBED HIS ICE WATER AND SID DIDN'T FLINCH.

[ Laughter ] >> Cathy: AND I THINK ALSO, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT LARRY WAS IN PRESS BOXES, THE VIKES, THE WILD, HE WAS EVERYWHERE.

HE HAD ONE HECK OF A WORK ETHIC FOR A JOURNALIST.

>> YEAH, YOU KNOW, AS I SAID TO, AND OTHER PEOPLE, THERE ARE VERY FEW OF US BLACK REPORTERS IN THIS TOWN.

IN FACT, THERE ARE MORE THAN TWO OR THREE OF US ARE AT AN ABJ CONVENTION.

SO THEREFORE WE'RE NOTICEABLE.

AND SO YOU'RE GOING TO SEE US.

AND SO WE'LL STAND OUT AMONG THE CROWD, SO TO SPEAK.

BUT BECAUSE HE HAD SUCH A WORK ETHIC, I DON'T COMPARE MINE'S TO LARRY, BUT HE HAD A WORK ETHIC, PEOPLE RESPECTED THAT AND THEY KNEW THAT WE WAS THERE ABOUT BUSINESS AND THE PLAYERS KNEW WE WAS THERE ABOUT BUSINESS AND BECAUSE WE'RE BLACK AND YOU'RE TALKING TO BLACK PLAYERS, THEY HAVE MORE OF A COMFORT LEVEL TO TALK TO US AND WE CAN HEAR WHAT THEY'RE SAYING AND WE WON'T MISREAD THAT.

SAM LACEY HAD WITH JACKIE ROBINSON, THE EARLY BLACK PLAYERS WHO CAME INTO MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL.

YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH PEOPLE LIKE US BECAUSE YOU KNOW WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU THE FAIR DEAL AS OPPOSED TO TALKING TO OTHERS.

AND THEN WE GET TO KNOW THEM BETTER.

>> Eric: LARRY BENEFITED FROM HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH COACH GREEN, IS THAT FAIR?

DENNIS GREEN?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

I REMEMBER WHEN DENNY GOT HIRED IN 1992.

AND IT DIDN'T GO OVER WELL WITH CERTAIN MEMBERS OF THE MEDIA.

CHARLES KNOWS THAT.

AND DENNY IMMEDIATELY TOOK A LIKING TO LARRY BECAUSE LARRY SHOWED HIM THE RESPECT.

HE WAS ONLY THE SECOND AFRICAN-AMERICAN HEAD COACH IN NFL HISTORY.

'92, IT TOOK THAT LONG.

AND SO THEY BUILT A FRIENDSHIP, AND THEN DENNY DRAFTS LARRY FITZGERALD JUNIOR TO THE CARDINALS.

AND DENNY ALLOWED MARCUS AND LARRY JUNIOR TO BECOME BALL BOYS.

AND WE HAD WARREN MOON ON OUR RADIO SHOW THE OTHER DAY, AND I SAID, YOU'RE A TRAILBLAZER, WARREN, BECAUSE IT TOOK FIVE YEARS FOR THE NFL TO LLOW WARREN TO PLAY.

HE HAD TO GO TO CANADA.

WHEN HE GOT TO MINNESOTA IS LARRY WENT UP TO HIM, INTRODUCED HIMSELF AND HE RETRODUCED HIMSELF AND HE REALODUCED HIMSELF AND HE REALIZUCED HIMSELF AND HE REALIZEDED HIMSELF AND HE REALIZED L HIMSELF AND HE REALIZED LARIMSELF AND HE REALIZED LARRYSELF AND HE REALIZED LARRY ILF AND HE REALIZED LARRY IS AND HE REALIZED LARRY IS AAND HE REALIZED LARRY IS AAND HE TRAILBLAZER.

HE BROKE A LOT OF GROUND HERE IN MINNEAPOLIS, ST.

PAUL.

EXPWHRASES EXPWHRA >> Cathy: IT WAS INTERESTING TO ME, IT'S VERY RARE WHEN YOU FIND A PERSON IN THE MEDIA WHO WAS AS VERSE TILE AS FITZY WAS.

NEWSPAPER, RADIO, TV, PODCASTS, AND HE DID ALL IT.

YOU'RE VERY RARELY GOOD AT ALL OF THEM.

BUT HE WAS.

>> HE WAS.

AND I THINK HIS STRENGTH WAS HIS VOICE.

AND HOW HE TALKED.

>> Eric: YES.

>> I THINK THAT WAS HIS STRENGTH.

AND SO THEREFORE THAT OVERRODE SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS.

MAYBE THERE WAS SOME SHORTCOMINGS SOMEWHERE IN OTHERS.

I KNOW WE USED TO JOKE ABOUT WRITING A LOT.

HE ALWAYS THOUGHT I WAS A BETTER WRITER THAN HE WAS, AND I WAS.

[ Laughter ] BUT I ALWAYS TALKED TO HIM ABOUT DOING SOME THINGS AND HE WOULD SAY, YOU'RE A BETTER JOURNALISTS.

WE WOULD HAVE OUR RUNNING BATTLES TALKING ABOUT THAT.

BUT I THINK BECAUSE HE HAD THAT VOICE AND THE VOICE OF AUTHORITY, IT WASN'T JUST A VOICE THAT, YOU KNOW, HE WASN'T A SHY VOICE.

SO HE TALKED, HE TALKED.

AND PEOPLE COULD HEAR THAT AND COULD SEE AND LEARN FROM WHAT HE HAS TO SAY AND KNOW WHAT WHAT THEY'RE HEARING FROM HIM WOULD THE TRUTH.

YOU KNOW?

>> Cathy: I ASKED YOU ABOUT WHAT MADE HIM SUCH A GOOD REPORTER, BUT WHAT MADE HIM SUCH A SPECIAL HUMAN?

>> WELL, HE AND HIS LAIF WIFE LE CAROL WERE FABULOUS PARENTS.

I THINK THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES.

HIS SECOND WIFE, SHARI, AN EXCELLENT PERSON.

WHAT I NOTICED WITH LARRY, BECAUSE I S INTRODUCE IS A BECAUSE I S INTRODUCE ISED HIM O A LOT OF MY FRIENDS.

HE SIZED PEOPLE UP.

HE WANTED TO MAKE SURE HE- CO WANTED TO MAKE SURE HE- COULANTED TO MAKE SURE HE- COULD TED TO MAKE SURE HE- COULD TRD TO MAKE SURE HE- COULD TRUSTO MAKE SURE HE- COULD TRUST MAKE SURE HE- COULD TRUST THAKE SURE HE- COULD TRUST THEME SURE HE- COULD TRUST THEM, SURE HE- COULD TRUST THEM, NDRE HE- COULD TRUST THEM, ND O HE- COULD TRUST THEM, ND ONCE- THEY FIGURED OUT, THIS PERSON'S OKAY, HE LET THEM INTO HIS INNER CIRCLE AND IT WAS GOOD AS GOLD.

I WAS FROM CALIFORNIA.

HE WAS FROM CHICAGO.

WE WOULD JOKE ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME.

>> Eric: YOU GUYS GAVE A FITTING SENDOFF TO HIM.

THANK YOU.

♪ >> ADIA: WITH THE MANY GUITARS, BANJOS, AND BASSES THAT HAVE APPEARED IN ALMANAC'S STUDIO "B," IT'S ABOUT TIME WE HEAR FROM SOME OTHER STRINGED INSTRUMENTS.

QUARTET SELENE JOINS US FROM THE GREATER TWIN CITIES YOUTH SYMPHONIES -- OR G.T.C.Y.S.

-- WHO IN JUST A FEW WEEKS WILL BE TOURING NEW ZEALAND AND AUSTRALIA.

HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE TOUR AND NEXT WEEK'S SEND OFF CONCERT IS G.T.C.Y.S.

ARTISTIC DIRECTOR MARK RUSSELL SMITH.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

>> THANK YOU SOICH.

SO MUCH.

GREAT TO BE HERE.

>> SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT ANYONE FROM G.T.C.Y.S.

HAS BEEN ON "ALMANAC."

>> IT'S HARD TO FIT AN ORCHESTRA IN THE STUDIO.

BUT THERE'S ONE NEXT DOOR I IN NOTICED.

>> HOW MANY FOLKS ARE IN?

>> THE WHOLE PROGRAM HAS ABOUT 1300 STUDENTS.

THE GROUP THAT'S TOURING US AUSTRALIA IS 120.

SO IT'S STILL A VERY, VERY BIG ORCHESTRA.

THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE TO TRAVEL WITH.

>> YEAH, HOW MANY FOLKS ARE SUPPORTING THE ORCHESTRA?

>> WELL, COMMUNITY WISE, MANY, MANY, MANY, AND WE HAVE WONDERFUL DONORS AND SUPPORTERS.

THERE WILL BE 14 ADULTS, CHAPERONES, TRYING TO MANAGE ALL THAT.

SO IT'S A BIG COMPLICATED THING.

BUT VERY WELL PLANNED.

>> AND SO YOU'RE GOING TO NEW ZEALAND AND AUSTRALIA WHICH I AM SO ENVIOUS OF.

WHAT ARE SOME OF THE STOPS YOU'RE GOING TO HIT?

>> FIRST IS AUCKLAND, WELL, AND WE'RE SEEING NEW ZEALAND, AND THEN WE'RE SEEING HOBBITON, BUT WE PLAY A CONCERT IN AUCKLAND WITH THE AUCKLAND YOUTH ORCHESTRA, AND THEN WE HAVE TWO CONCERTS?

SYDNEY, ONE AT THE CONSERVATORY THERE, AND THEN OF COURSE THE SYDNEY OPERA HOUSE IS THE CROWN JEWEL.

AND SO THAT'LL BE JUST -- IT'S A GRAIL THRILL FOR ALL OF US AND ESPECIALLY FOR THE STUDENTS OF COURSE.

>> WONDERFUL.

SO WHO DO WE HAVE HERE TONIGHT?

>> WE HAVE THE QUARTET SELENE.

THEY ARE MEMBERS OF THE G.T.C.Y.S., OF THE ORCHESTRA THAT'S ON TOUR.

FOUR INCREDIBLE STRING PLAYERS, THEY'RE PLAYING HAYDN.

JUST KEEP IN MIND, THESE ARE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS WHO ARE JUST PLAYING ON A WORLD-CLASS LEVEL.

>> YEAH, I BELIEVE IT.

YOU HAVE ONE CONCERT COMING UP BEFORE THE TOUR.

>> RIGHT, ON THURSDAY, ON JUNE N CONCERT HALL IS OUR SENDOFF CONCERT.

YOU'LL HEAR THE ENTIRE TOUR PROGRAM AND IT'LL BE VERY, VERY EXCITING.

THE ORCHESTRA IS SOUNDING FANTASTIC AND THESE STUDENTS WHO ARE AGED BASICALLY 12 TO 18 ARE PLAYING 18 ARE PLAYI PLAYING SPECTACULAY WELL.

>> ALREADY, LET'S HEAR FROM QUARTET SELENE.

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [ Applause ] ♪ >> ERIC: A LOCAL STANCHION IN MEDIA ETHICS HAS RETIRED FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA.

JANE KIRTLEY HAS BEEN AT THE HELM OF THE SILHA CENTER FOR MORE THAN 2 1/2 DECADES.

WE'VE INVITED HER BACK FOR ONE MORE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE MEDIA LANDSCAPE AND OF COURSE TO WISH HER WELL.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Eric: I SUPPOSE THE QUESTION THIS WEEK IS HOW THE POLITICAL CLIMATE IS AFFECTING THE NEWS MEDIA AND VICE VERSA?

WHAT ARE YOUR BROAD THOUGHTS ON THE WHOLE THING.

>> Cathy: HEALTHY IS NOT A WORD YOU'D WANT TO USE.

>> NOW IS NOT A GREAT TIME FOR THE LEGACY NEWS MEDIA, IT'S BEING ATTACKED FROM ALL SIDES AND INTERNALLY.

AND I FEEL LIKE I'M LEAVING MY JOB AT NOT AN OPPORTUNE MOMENT.

BUT AS THE FORMER AND NOW ONE OF THE USTICES OF THE U.S.

SUPREME COURT, WILLIAM BREN YEN TOLD ME, YOU JUST KEEP FIGHTING, HONEY, AND I WILL KEEP FIGHT.

>> Cathy: YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY THAT YOU'RE KIND OF -- LIKE I AM, YOU'RE AN A.I.

SKEPTIC AND ONE BIG REASON YOU DECIDED TO RETIRE NOW IS BECAUSE OF IT?

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

IT'S THE DEVIL'S TOOL.

I'M VERY, VERY ANXIOUS ABOUT ITS IMPACT NOT JUST ON THE NEWS MEDIA AND JOURNALISM, BUT ON PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE.

THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN UNDER ATTACK, BUT I THINK .I.

IS MAKING IT EVEN MORE DANGEROUS.

>> Cathy: I REALLY WORRY ABOUT YOUNG REPORTERS.

I DIDN'T IMAGINE -- I WAS JUST "ALMANAC: AT THE "ALMANAC: ATALKING TO ONE IN MO, THEY INSTITUTED A A.I.

REPORTING TOOL AND REALLY, THEY'RE JUST -- IT'S LIKE THEY'RE IN THE PASSENGER SEAT.

>> IT'S REALLY DISTURBING.

PAPERS LIKE THE COMPLIEN DEALER THAT HAVE SAID WE'RE GOING TO USE A.I.

TO WRITE OUR STROARS.

IT'S LIKE REWRITE IN THE OLDEN DAYS.

IF NOTHING ELSE BECAUSE A.I.

WRITING READS LIKE A.I.

WRITING AND THE HUMANITY OF IT IS GONE AND THAT'S THE THING THAT I KEEP SAYING TO PEOPLE.

THIS IS NOT HUMAN.

THIS DOES NOT THINK.

THIS IS A PROGRAM AND IT CAN BE USED I SUPPOSE FOR GOOD.

BUT UNFORTUNATELY, IT CAN BE USED FOR BAD AS WELL.

>> Eric: BUT THERE MUST BE SOME RESPONSIBILITY ON THE PART OF THE LEGACY IMMEDIATE THAT THEY MISSED THE BOAT.

>> OH, THERE'S PLENTY OF BLAME TO SPREAD AROUND.

LET'S BE CLEAR.

AND I THINK THERE WERE LOST OPPORTUNITIES ALONG THE WAY.

AND PEOPLE LOST THEIR WAY IN LARGE PART I THINK BECAUSE THEY LOST THEIR SIGHT OF THEIR MISSION.

I BELIEVE THAT JOURNALISM IS ULTIMATELY AN AL TRUISTIC THING.

IT'S ABOUT THE PUBLIC GOOD.

IT'S ABOUT SERVING THE PUBLIC INTEREST, AND IF YOUR ONLY GOAL IS TO MAXIMIZE CRANKING OUT CONTENT, MAXIMIZING MONEY, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE SERVING THE PUBLIC INTEREST.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE DOING WHAT JOURNALISM IS ALL ABOUT.

>> Cathy: THERE'S I THINK A SACRED TRUST WE HAVE WITH OUR LISTENERS AND OUR VIEWERS AND YOUR READERS, RIGHT, AS JOURNALISTS?

>> I THINK SO.

AND IF YOU LOSE HAT CREDIBILITY ANYWHERE ALONG THE WAY, THEN IT'S VERY, VERY HARD TO GET IT BACK.

>> Cathy: I WONDER AS A HISTORIAN, WE GREW UP STUDYING THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE, WHICH WAS A RULE THAT SAID YOU HAD TO COVER ALL SIDES OF AN ISSUE.

AND IT WAS -- >> CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES OF PUBLIC IMPORTANCE.

>> Cathy: THANK YOU.

BOTH SIDES -- THANK YOU.

AND IT WAS TRASHED DURING THE REAGAN ERA, RIGHT?

IS THE HORSE OUT OF THE BARN AT THIS POINT IN TERMS OF PUBLIC TRUST?

COULD YOU BRING SOMETHING LIKE THAT BACK?

>> AS MUCH AS I DISGREED WAS THE ABOLITION OF THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE, IT REALLY DIDN'T WORK HE WAY IT SUPPOSED TO WORK.

IT MEANT THAT MANY NEWS ORGANIZATIONS CHOSE NOT TO COVER ISSUES AT ALL.

I THINK IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFICULT FOR THERE TO BE GOVERNMENT MANDATES FOR FAIRNESS.

ULTIMATELY THAT HAS TO BE BASED ON WHAT THE NEWS ORGANIZATIONS DO AND WHAT THEIR READERS AND VIEWERS AND LISTENERS DEMAND.

>> Eric: 30 SECONDS ON AN ECONOMIC MODEL FOR THE NEWS MEDIA.

>> OH, PLEASE, IF I KNEW THAT, HERE, WE'VE JUST HEARD THAT THE "STAR TRIBUNE" IS CONSIDERING GOING TO A FOUNDATION MODEL.

THAT'S BEEN ATTEMPTED.

IT'S BEEN TRIED.

PEOPLE LIKE DICT TEEFEL ARE SKEPTICAL OF IT AND I AM AS WELL.

I THINK WE HAVE TO MEET OUR READERS WHERE THEY ARE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TIKTOK OR SOME THER SOCIAL MEDIA.

THAT RUG'S BEEN PULLED OUT FROM UNDER US.

>> Cathy: YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE COMPLETELY BE A SILENT VOICE, RIGHT?

>> IN SOME WAYS, I THINK I'M EVEN FREER NOW TO SAY WHAT I REALLY THINK.

>> Eric: WE GOT YOU ON SPEED DIAL.

COME BACK AND SEE US.

CONGRATULATIONS.

♪ >> GENTLEMEN, MANY YEARS AGO FROM RONWOOD WROTE TO ME AND HE SAID, I WATCH YOU ALL THE TIME.

I ENJOY YOUR NEWS CASTS.

BUT I DON'T WANT A MINI H.M.O.ILY WHEN I GO TO BED AT NIGHT.

SO I ROTE HIM A LITTLE LETTER AND I SIGNED IT OFF "AND BE KIND."

[ Laughter ] ♪ ♪ >> CATHY: AS WE SAW EARLIER, IN THE SHOW, MINNESOTA'S STATEWIDE PRIMARIES ARE HEATING UP.

AND TODAY IN D.C., SENATE REPUBLICANS PASSED A $70 BILLION IMMIGRATION FUNDING BILL, WHICH HEADS TO THE HOUSE NEXT WEEK.

HERE TO BREAK IT ALL DOWN, DAVID SCHULTZ TEACHES POLITICAL SCIENCE AT HAMLINE UNIVERSITY AND IS ALSO AN ADJUNCT LAW PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF ST.

THOMAS.

KATHRYN PEARSON TEACHES POLITICAL SCIENCE.

ONE OF HER AREAS OF EXPERTISE IS CONGRESS.

AND ROUNDING OUT THE PANEL, STEVE SCHIER IS A PROFESSOR EMERITUS AT CARLETON COLLEGE.

PROFESSOR EMERITUS SCHIER, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE CONVENTIONS.

NOW, THERE'S, WHAT?

15 CONTESTANTS IN GUBERNATORIAL PRIMARIES.

I MEAN, U.S.

SENATE PRIMARIES.

WHAT'S THE POINT BEHIND THESE CONVENTIONS?

>> WELL, THE POINT OF A PRIMARY IS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE RESOURCES AND NAME RECOGNITION IN ORDER TO WIN.

AND IT'S NOT CLEAR THAT THE CONVENTIONS, PARTICULARLY THE G.O.P.

CONVENTION, ENDORSE CANDIDATES THAT HAVE EITHER.

AND SO I WOULD SAY THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR THE G.O.P.

GOING FORWARD.

AND WE'LL SEE HOW THAT PLAYS OUT BETWEEN NOW AND AUGUST.

>> Eric: YOU'VE WANTED TO SCRAP THE SYSTEM FOR 20 YEARS.

>> YEAH, I WROTE PIECES BACK A LONG TIME AGO SAYING, CAUCUSES, CONVENTIONS, PRIMARIES, THEY DON'T ALL FIT TOGETHER.

BUT I ALSO WANT TO ADD SOMETHING BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE ALKING ABOUT THE REPUBLICANS.

THE DEMOCRATS HAVE A PROBLEM ALSO TOO HERE.

NEITHER THE KONG NEITHER THE KO CONVENTIONS SPEAK TO WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE AVERAGE VOTERS IN MINNESOTA.

I DID A STUDY RECENTLY.

MINNESOTA COMES IN AT ABOUT A 60 ON A SCALE FOR WHERE THE AVERAGE VOTER IS.

THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY COMES IN AT 80.

THE REPUBLICANS COME IN AT 23.

THEY'RE BOTH WAY OFF FROM WHERE THEY ARE.

WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT FOR THE REPUBLICANS WHY THEY KEEP LOSING FOR 20 YEARS?

THEY'RE WAY OUT OF LINE.

AND FOR THE DEMOCRATS, PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING OUT OF THE ENDORSEMENT PROCESS THERE ARE ALSO OUT OF LINE.

>> Eric: ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF THE CAUCUS/CONVENTION SYSTEM IS THAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO ALLOW PEOPLE WITHOUT MONEY, PAUL WELLSTONE, JOAN GROWE BACK IN THE '70s.

>> RIGHT, THEY GET TO KNOW MORE PEOPLE.

DELEGATES ARE FAR FROM A RANDOM SAMPLE.

THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE INCREDIBLY ENGAGED, TEND TOKER MORE EXTREME ON BOTH SIDES, AND HAVE BOTH THE IME AND RESOURCES TO GO TO THEIR PRECINCT CAUCUSES, TAKE TIME AWAY FROM FAMILY OR WORK AND THEN GO TO A CONVENTION.

I THINK THERE'S SOME REAL SMALL-D DEMOCRATIC REPRESENTATION ISSUES WITH THE CAUCUS ELECTORATE AS COMPARED TO THE PRIMARY ELECTORATE WHICH IS ALSO SMALLER THAN THE GENERAL.

>> YEAH, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE PROCESS, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE LOWER COSTS OF PARTICIPATION AND THE CAUCUS CONVENTION SYSTEM IS VERY COSTLY IN TERMS OF TIME.

ONLY 11 STATES INCLUDING MINNESOTA HAVE AN ENDORSEMENT PROCESS.

39 OF THEM GO TO PRIMARIES AND THEY HAVE MUCH BIGGER PARTICIPATION IN THE CONCLUSIVE PROCESS THEN.

>> Cathy: EARLIER IN THE SHOW, THERE WAS A LITTLE FAN YOID THAT WE HAD IN ONE OF THE INTRODUCTIONS.

FOR THE FIRST TIME IN STATE HISTORY, DEMOCRATS HAVE FILED FOR EVERY LEGISLATIVE SEAT.

IT'S THE FEWEST REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE FILED SINCE WATERGATE.

WHAT IS BEHIND THAT?

>> DEMOCRATS O HAVE THE RESOURCES TO BASICALLY RUN A FULL SLATE.

YOU KNOW, CAMPAIGNING FOR THE WHOLE STATE.

BUT REPUBLICANS, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY THEY HAVE IN THE BANK TO START WITH.

TWO, WHILE TRUMP HAS TAKEN A GREATER CONTROL OVER THE PARTY, THE BASE IS GETTING SMALLER AND SMALLER, AND IN MANY WAYS, AGAIN, POINTING OUT WHAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT A MINUTE AGO HERE, THEY REALLY ARE CONSOLIDATING AND I THINK IT'S MAKING IT HARDER FOR THEM TO RECRUIT.

>> Eric: IOWA IS NOW THE FLAVOR OF THE WEEK AFTER THE PRIMARY THERE ON TUESDAY?

>> RIGHT, WELL, REALLY MARKED AN EXCEPTION TO WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING IN PRIMARIES WITH TRUMP ENDORSED CANDIDATES RECENTLY.

SO TO BE CLEAR, THE VAST MAJORITY OF INCUMBENTS SURVIVED THEIR PRIMARIES, BUT IT IS THE CASE THAT IN TWO HIGH PROFILE U.S.

SENATE RACES THE INCUMBENTS WERE NOT ENDORSED BY RESIDENT TRUMP AND LOST PRETTY BADLY.

AND SO THAT OF OURSE SENDS SENDS PANIC INTO SENATORS AND MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WHO ARE NOT ENDORSED BY TRUMP.

ALSO MASSY IN KENTUCKY.- WESO MASSY IN KENTUCKY.- WE H MASSY IN KENTUCKY.- WE HADASSY IN KENTUCKY.- WE HAD ASY IN KENTUCKY.- WE HAD A C IN KENTUCKY.- WE HAD A CASN KENTUCKY.- WE HAD A CASE KENTUCKY.- WE HAD A CASE INNTUCKY.- WE HAD A CASE IN IUCKY.- WE HAD A CASE IN I.CKY.- WE HAD A CASE IN I.CKY.- WHERE TRUMP'S CANDIDATE, A LATE ENDORSEMENT DID NOT WIN THE NOMINATION.

BUT I THINK THAT ALSO SPEAKS TO THE FACT THAT IOWA EVERYONES, IOWA REPUBLICANS, ARE SORT OF LOOKING AT TARIFFS, LOOKING AT SOME THINGS GOING ON AND TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF WHO WOULD BE A BETTER GENERAL ELECTION CANDIDATE.

>> Eric: IS THE FEAR FACTOR FOR REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS DIMINISHING?

>> WELL, I'M NOT SURE IT'S DIMINISHING WITH SENATE REPUBLICANS.

>> Eric: BUT THEY'RE NOT AS AFRAID -- SENATOR CORNIN GETS BEAT IN THE PRIMARY, HE'S A FREE AGENT NOW, RIGHT?

>> RIGHT.

AND TILLIS, FOR EXAMPLE, I THINK THEY FEEL FREE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN REPUDIATED.

ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ARE AN INCUMBENT SENATOR, YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT YOUR PARTY BASE.

AND IN MOST STATES, THAT'S GOING TO BE A TRUMP ORIENTATION, AND YOU CAN'T GO TOO FAR FROM THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY.

>> IT IS ALSO THE CASE, THOUGH, THAT IN A LOT OF THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE SAW TO THE RECONCILIATION BILL IN THE LAST 24 HOURS, WE DID SEE THOSE MORE VULNERABLE REPUBLICANS BREAKING WITH THE PRESIDENT.

WE SAW THAT ON F.I.S.A., FOR EXAMPLE.

>> WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS ALSO A NATIONAL TREND THAT'S OCCURRING IS BECAUSE TRUMP IS REALLY A LAME DUCK AT THIS POINT, AT SOME POINT, I MEAN, THEY HAVE LOYALTY TO HIM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THEY HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WHAT?

THEIR OWN REELECTION AT THIS TIME.

AND AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE ELECTION AND AS WE GET PAST THE MIDTERM ELECTION, THAT TO ME IS GOING TO BE MORE INTERESTING TO LOOK AT IN TERMS OF THE FACT THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT TRUMP RUNNING AGAIN.

>> YEAH, BUT BETWEEN NOW AND 2026 ELECTION, TRUMP HAS REALLY GOTTEN CONTROL OF A LOT OF -- >> OH, YES, OF COURSE, YES.

>> AND HE IS GOING TO BE USING THAT IN MESSAGING, AND IN ENFORCING THAT WITH HIS OWN CANDIDATES.

>> RIGHT.

>> TRUE, BUT IT WILL ALSO BE VERY HARD FOR EVEN A REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED SENATE AND HOUSE TO GET A LOT OF LEGISLATIVE ACTION DONE.

I MEAN, THEY HAVE AN AGENDA.

THEY PASSED THIS RECONCILIATION BILL.

THAT WAS CRITICAL.

BUT THEY'RE LOOKING AT HOUSING, SOME DEREGULATION, AND THEY HAVE SUCH THIN MARGINS, ESPECIALLY IN THE HOUSE, HOIN THEHOUSE, IT'S HARD TO SAYT THEY'RE GOING TO BE A LOT LEFT TO GET DONE IN THE NEXT COMING MONTHS.

>> Eric: SO I.C.E.

GOT FUNDED BUT THE RELIEF FUND, THE 1.776 FUND, THAT WAS NOT TOUCHED?

>> NO.

>> Eric: WHAT DOES THAT TELL US, IF ANYTHING?

>> I THINK IT SPEAKS TO KATHRYN'S POINT THAT YOU CAN'T EXPECT 100% LOYALTY IN THE SITUATION THAT YOU HAVE.

TRUMP IS TRYING TO GET AS MUCH AS HE CAN FROM A NUMBER OF MEMBERS WHO ARE SOMEWHAT RESISTANT AND YOU GET THESE SORTS OF RESULTSES.

>> IT IS ALSO THE CASE THAT THE PRESIDENT IS MAKING HARDER FOR SENATE REPUBLICANS THAN THEY NEEDED TO BE, WITH, YOU KNOW, THE DNI NOMINEE, THE FUND, IT DIDN'T NEED TO BE QUITE THIS HARD.

>> Cathy: I WANT TO GO BACK TO SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, PROFESSOR KIRTLEY, A.I., POLITICALLY HERE, PEGGY FLANAGAN, THE CRAIG BASED P.A.C.

OF USING AN A.I.

GENERATED IMAGE OF PEGGY FLANAGAN.

AND I WONDER HOW MESSY WILL A.I.

MAKE POLITICS?

>> FIRST OFF, IT'S GOING TO MAKE IT MESSY.

BUT MINNESOTA'S LAW IS NE OF THE FIRST IN THE COUNTRY TO TRY TO ADDRESS IT.

THERE'S REAL QUESTIONS THERE REGARDING FIRST AMENDMENT VAGUENESS KIND OF THINGS.

BUT THE OTHER ISSUE S, THINK ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW.

WE SEE A LOT OF ADS RIGHT NOW THAT SHOW CANDIDATES IN VERY DISTORTED SLOW MOTION, BLACK AND WHITE SITUATIONS.

YOU KNOW, AND NOT VERY GOOD DEPICTIONS HERE.

AND THOSE ARE UPHELD AS PERFECTLY CONSTITUTIONAL.

A.I.

IS ONLY I THINK A HAIR'S BREADTH AWAY FROM THAT.

AND SO I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO POLICE THE A.I.

ON THIS GIVE THE CURRENT FRAMEWORK OF THE LAW.

>> Eric: NOW, WE JUST GOT A SEMESTER FULL OF POLITICAL SCIENCE IN TEN MINUTES.

>> WE DID ACTUALLY.

>> Eric: SUPER JOB.

WE'LL HAVE YOU BACK, THANKS.

WE'RE DONE.

>> Cathy: , WELL, WE OF COURSE ARE OUT OF TIME.

BUT WE'LL ASK YOU ONCE MORE TO TELL US WHAT YOU THINK OF THE SHOW IN OUR ANNUAL "ALMANAC" VIEWER SURVEY.

IT TAKES JUST A FEW MINUTES IF YOU CAN SPARE THEM.

SCAN THE Q.R.

CODE ON THE SCREEN, OR GO TO TPT.ORG/ALMANACSURVEY.

THANKS FOR THE HELP.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

WE HAVE JUST A FEW MOMENTS LEFT OF THE SHOW.

LET'S SPEND IT WITH THE GREATER TWIN CITIES YOUTH SYMPHONIES' QUARTET SELENE.

THEY ARE SO GOOD.

TAKE IT AWAY.

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