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♪ opening music ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ Amanda: Well, good evening, and welcome to Making It Grow.

We're so glad that you can join us tonight.

I'm Amanda McNulty.

I'm a Clemson horticulture agent, and I get to come here with people who are current about what's going on and what to do about problems, and it's so much fun to keep on learning, and then I get to spend an hour with my good friend Terasa Lott, who is my co-host, and Terasa also, you are overseeing the Master Gardener Program, and in individual counties, there are agents who are getting ready to have classes all the time and new people coming in.

It's just a wonderful group of people.

<Terasa> It really is an all around great group from the Master Gardener coordinators, our horticulture Extension agents, to the Master Gardener volunteers themselves.

Lots of work always to be done and lots of questions as we see from those that come into the show.

So we always have more than plenty of things for them to do.

Amanda: Yeah, they really do.

and I think people who take that course generally like to talk to other people.

Terasa: Yes.

Amanda:...and are friendly.

Terasa: Volunteering is in their heart.

Amanda: It sure is.

Well, Campbell Vaughn, you came up today as a volunteer for us, because you work the University of Georgia Extension in Richmond County, and that's near the big city of...Augusta >> Augusta.

That's right.

Amanda: Augusta is... an old city with an interesting history.

Campbell: It is.

It is.

It's one of those that when they were sort of moving agriculture a lot around people rode up the Savannah River from Savannah and ended up dead ending into some rock shoals and said, "Let's set up a camp here," and so there was Augusta for us, so, and I've been there my whole life, but it's an old city and we're real proud of it.

Amanda: Yeah, and um, y'all have still have a river right in the middle of town.

Campbell: It's right there.

Only a couple blocks away.

Amanda: Do people fish in it?

Campbell: Yeah, it's great fishing.

It's great fishing.

It's really well utilized, and so it's been a real good feature for our area.

Amanda: Isn't that wonderful!Okay, and Suzanne Holmes, we were at Clemson together and then we ran into each other at the zoo as mothers taken supervising children on a field trip, and then I came to Clemson and you were in the Aiken office as the Extension agent.

Suzanne: Yeah, for 11 or 12 years I was in the Aiken office and I retired and I've been over to the University of Georgia for I think about 11 years now.

I just worked part time over there, but it's a lot of fun, Extension work.

I enjoy it.

Amanda:...and of course since this just you know, South Carolina and Georgia touching each other.

The same things, the insects and diseases don't pay attention to state lines.

Suzanne: No, they don't, so.

Amanda: I'm so glad you came.

Thank you so much.

Suzanne: Thank you for inviting me.

Amanda:...and Bill Guess you're at BB Barns, and I think you have two nurseries to look after, two locations.

Bill: Two locations, one out in Irmo on Dreher Shoals and one in the Northeast right off of Two Notch Road.

Amanda: Okay.

Are they both about the same degree of busyness?

Bill: They're both similar size.

They're on different sides of town but similar size nurseries, and a lot of the same people will go from store to store.

Amanda: Do they really?

Bill: Occasionally.

Amanda: Yes, that's fun.

Anyway, and so Columbia is growing so nothing's right downtown much anymore because out of all the homes and developments and all are kind of on the outside of town.

Bill: Right, so we're able to cover this side and that side.

Amanda: Okay.

Got it covered.

>> Yes, ma'am.

Amanda: Okay, glad to hear it.

Well, Terasa, you often have Gardens of the Week for us.

Did we have some this week?

Terasa: We sure do.

We are going to begin our virtual field trip with a photograph shared by P.S.

Lane of tangerine flowers of cross vine growing on a fence.

From Cindy Fowler.

She shot a grape vineyard at Parker Bins Winery in Mill Springs, North Carolina.

Sandie Parrot shared her drift roses along the walkway, and she reports that they are single and double flowers in shades of pink and red.

From Kevin Overbeck.

We venture outside of the world of plants a bit.

He shared Limpkins birds nesting in their shoreline vegetation, and of course, as someone who worked in water quality, I love to see shoreline vegetation and the benefits it provides including wildlife habitat, and we finish up with a photograph from Spike, who shared his gorgeous raised beds of lettuces and spinach, complete with a bountiful harvest.

So thanks, all of you for submitting your photographs.

I love seeing them come in.

Don't be shy.

If you see us make a post that says call for gardens of the week.

All you have to do is post your photo in the comments, and then we randomly select a few to host on the show.

Amanda:...and people can see the ones that we don't have room for, by just visiting our Facebook page.

Is that correct?

Terasa: That is right.

Amanda: All right, well, thank you so much, and um, and in a little bit, In the middle of the show, we're going to have a segment for you when Holly Beaumier came here with succulents from her business, Growing Hobby, and it was really fun to have her here.

I think you told us about her.

Thank you so much Terasa.

Terasa: You're welcome.

>> So, we really do appreciate that.

Well, we always say we're going to try to help people with questions and problems.

So how should we begin?

Terasa: We'll see if we can help Denise in Columbia who said I'd really like to grow roses, but we have had so many problems in their past.

Are there any foolproof roses?

(Amanda laughs) >> Poor thing.

I can understand why she's frustrated because that you know there are disease issues.

Blackspot is a problem and we've seen rose rosette virus as well.

So, I'm hoping the panel has some ideas Amanda: When I was out visiting the children, you know, in California where there's no humidity, and we were in Washington State too, at one time, they just used them as the highway plantings because they didn't have any humidity.

So there weren't... any fungal diseases which I think we do have humidity in South Carolina.

Suzanne: Yes.

We have a lot of humidity.

Terasa: We make sure of that.

(laughing) Suzanne: ...a lot of humidity.

So one of my favorite roses is this one it's called At Last and it's called At Last because the breeders have bred disease resistant as well as fragrance.

So you can smell this one probably over there.

It's planted at my backyard, in my back door where I come in all the time, and you can smell it 10 or 15 feet away and my daughter actually said, "Oh mama that is the most "beautiful rose I've ever seen", because it starts out as a bud and I think there is a bud over here and then it opens up and it's just really full but it's beautiful and it has a little, you know, if it rains a lot.

There'll be a little black spot but I can kind of pick them off and it doesn't spread through the whole thing.

So that and so they are breeding them.

So, we can grow in the south you know it started with knockouts and then we got the rose rosette.

So we're going to see it spread, you know some of these but, um...and so this is bred as a kind of tea rose floribunda that has fragrance and there's also another one called Brindabella roses and they're more like tea roses and they also have some disease resistance in them, and so you can find them in the garden centers now and BB Barns, what kind do you grow?

Bill: We have a new one that's rise up rose.

It's a mini climber and it has sort of the trifecta of things that you're looking for out of a rose, disease resistance, re-blooming and scent.

So, and if you've ever grown climbing roses before you know that they can get away from you.

They can be really monsters in the garden.

This one's kind of top out.

It says five feet, probably more like seven, but it's a climbing rose that will mind its manners.

Amanda:...and healthy foliage.

Bill:...and healthy foliage.

It has disease resistance to it also.

Amanda:If they got rid of the stickers or do you still be kind of careful?

Bill: There's a couple, but it's not really bad.

Amanda: Come on.

Really?

Bill: Not bad.

Amanda: Wow!

Gosh, what an amazing rose.

Well, Susan that color is so pretty Suzanne: I think it is.

I love peach colored flowers and I think that one's just...it...has the right... Amanda: You grew up as a peach girl Terasa: It kind of matches my cardigan.

Suzanne: Yeah, it does.

It matches some.

Amanda: We have to get one and pin it on you, Terasa.

If anyone should have a corsage, it's you.

Terasa: I've heard good things about the Earth-Kind roses.

Have you heard about the Earth-Kind series?

Suzanne: The University of Texas came out with the Earth-Kind roses and they breed the disease resistance, and so it's ones that you don't have to constantly put out spray for, and they, if you go, Well, it's been a couple of years since I went to their website, but it had the list of roses, and that they were really, you know, which one's more disease resistance, and there are some that have been out around, you know, 100 years, 50 years that are disease resistant.

That's why they named them the Earth-kind roses, because you don't have to spray, and you know, I'm not much of a sprayer, you know, I just don't use a lot of sprays, because I don't have time and I'm lazy and I've got other things to do.

Amanda: Isn't it wonderful that we can have this glorious collection of flowers, and not have to say, oh, Lord, I'd like to take a nap, but I got to go spray the darn roses?

Suzanne:...and they repeat, you know, ...it used to be they'd bloom twice a year, and that was it, but these, they'll bloom and then they'll stop... and they bloom again, and it's kind of wonderful to sell them now, isn't it?

Bill: Absolutely.

Amanda: I think some people even for a while were going around to old cemeteries and trying to find roses there, and so I think they were the kind of the basis of some of that genetic material too, because, you know, if you can last in an old cemetery, you know, that's, (laughs) that's saying something for you You might get to fertilize them, but other than that, -okay, well, how about delightful, Thank you.

Okay, what Teresa Terasa: Grant from Blackville submitted a question.

He said, I've heard you talk about the importance of not planting invasive plants.

So kudos for paying attention about that.

I'm thinking of planting Confederate Jasmine.

Is this okay?

What do we think?

Or some people might call it star... Star Jasmine, I think that's the same.

Amanda: Well, Campbell, what are your thoughts?

Campbell: I got a lot to say about that one.

(all laugh) Susie and I say, there's no small vine, which is not completely true, but that is one and I think people plant It's evergreen.

It's got great fragrance, but it's one that really can take over.

I wouldn't say it's near as invasive as Kudzu is or, or the Chinese Wisteria.

You just have to be cautious about it.

It is a plant that is not afraid to climb to the top of pine tree, if you let it.

It's got some good, good characteristics, Amanda:...and let me ask you one thing.

It doesn't seed down like wisteria and things like that.

Campbell: Right.

Right.

It's just going to come from a single plant, right, but it will root back out when it touches that ground, it will root back out.

It just turns into a mass.

It's a lot bigger of a plant than you think that it's going to be.

So if you try to plant it around your mailbox, it's, you're going to have to be beating it back, with you know, with a chainsaw.

You put it on a trellis, and if it's a trellis and it's wooden, it's evergreen, so it's going to trap moisture and rot your trellis out.

It's just one of those, you just, there's a few good places for it, but most of the time, it's probably not the right plant for the right place.

Amanda: If you had a chain link fence or something like that, that you wanted to cover, would that be a place where you might recommend?

Campbell:...so I would, it's kind of hard to manage manage on that because it grows out and it's thick and you got to beat it back.

It's just sometimes better not to have something than to force something like that.

I've seen on concrete walls that they'll use in commercial sites.

They'll run it along the wire and it does a very good job of blocking something that is hard and gray like a concrete wall, and then I've seen ...some arbors and stuff, they do look good.

So there's a place for them but you just have to be real cautious.

Like I said, there's not a whole lot of small vines.

I mean, if he let them, they'll grab on a pine tree and they'll be you know, 100 feet up before you... you know it, so.

Amanda:...Okay, Campbell: It'll grow up through your soffit and grow up into your chimney.

It'll grow under your house, that kind of thing, so.

Amanda: Well, it does have a wonderful fragrance.

Campbell: It is...it is a strong sweet smell and I can smell it on my back porch in May, for sure.

Amanda: From your neighbor's house.

It's not your yard.

Campbell: It's right on the edge, but it's one of those things.

It doesn't care if there's a fence there or not.

It's coming.

Amanda: So you have to be on the lookout for it.

Campbell: That's right.

Amanda: (laughs) Okey dokey.

Well, I think we've got his opinion on that.

Bill, have you got something you'd like to share with us?

Bill: Sure.

This is...a Cuphea, and it's called vermillionaire and Cuphea.

It's a beautiful flower.

It will take the full sun but...hummingbirds.

That's one of the biggest reasons why you would want to grow one of these.

These long, tubular flowers Amanda: Just made - >> Just made for hummingbirds, and this will continue to grow all summer.

It's very heat tolerant.

As these stems grow a little bit longer.

They will start to sort of arch over and it can cascade out of your pot, but this one little plant will become a good, let's say two by two-ish plant and bloom straight up through frost, and by that point, you know, your hummingbirds have found it and they will come by at the nursery.

We have some hummingbirds last year that would come by about 2:30 every day, fly right in and come to this have a little drink and zip out and go about the rest of their day.

Amanda: That was their afternoon coffee break.

Bill: Afternoon coffee break.

Yeah, Amanda: That is so much fun, and isn't it nice when, you know, when you got to nursery and you know, you got asphalt, you know, things going on, and plants are coming and going, but that animals, some of the animals say Oh, well, you know, while it's there, I'm so happy to have it.

Bill: They'll come right in.

Amanda: That is fun.

That really is.

Have you got some feeders up too?

Bill: No.

Amanda: Don't need to, because you've got enough >> - flowers.

Yeah.

Amanda: Okay.

Well, that's really cool.

Thank you so much.

Okay, Terasa?

Terasa: Let's see if we can help Matt in Edgefield, who writes in Amanda: Oh, goodness.

I know you try to get squash in real early at your house and then you get... Terasa: Squash vine borers at my house this year, we're trying a new strategy, we're going to grow parthenocarpic under row covers, and so hopefully if I can keep them out, we'll have a better crop Amanda: Because usually you have to have insects coming in to pollinate them because you got male flowers and female flowers, >>Right.<< This doesn't require that parthenocarpic needs it.

So it says It's fruit without that.

Terasa: That's right.

Alright, so let's see how it does.

Keep your fingers crossed.

Amanda: Okay, we'll see if you come in with masses.

Well Suzanne.

A lot of times people have a lot of squash early in the year and I think there's even a national give zucchini to your neighbor day.

You look it up there is but um, and then cucumbers oh gosh, it used to be just you know the same thing Oh, cucumbers, cucumbers.

but um, so the squash vine borer can be a problem with the squash.

Suzanne: Cucurbit family that came you know, their first cousins and they get diseases and insect some of the diseases they get are the downy mildews and then there's some others and they really take their toll.

So you have to look for the most resistant variety so I go to seed catalogs and the more letters they have after their name, this one I go for because there's several there's some rust there's several diseases that get on there anthracnose.

So that's the first thing do you find the most resistant diseases and cucumbers and you know try to get them early which is hard to do some time because a lot warmer soil and the last two weeks has been kind of cool.

You want plenty of air around them.

So that helps too so you know you're the grown up trellis some so that's another way and then you know if you can make them through around the Fourth of July summer you know, then you've done you know you've got a lot but I love to go outside and just pick a cucumber right off the vine and eat it direct.

Because I love cucumbers and you know, now the big thing is pick you know the, the refrigerator dill pickles are absolutely I grow dill next to it.

and they're wonderful, you know refrigerated dill pickles and they cost a lot in the store.

and they're and you know, they're so easy to do.

and then you have of course the insects like you mentioned squash vine borers, and you know they get in, they get in the squash and you know they bore up in there and then the squash just falls over.

Amanda: That's where the vascular system is.

Suzanne: You can cut like a solo cup and put it around the stem if you do it early because that stem gets big and that can keep them away and we already had Campbell sent me a picture yesterday and said what chewed this off and it was cutworms you know the plants were this high were chewed off and then you got pickle worms that get in your cucumbers but you can spray for them but try to spray in the late afternoon because they need those pollinators so spray late as you can in afternoon dusk.

Amanda: When the pollinators are going to bed.

Suzanne: Yeah, when the pollinators gone to bed and so those are some of the things you can use.

Amanda: Is the downy mildew the one that moves up from Florida?

Suzanne: It moves from Florida and you have powdery and downy on cucumbers and squash so you have both of them.

Amanda: but the downy mildew if I'm not mistaken is the whatever, you know, strain or you know, is we can't afford to buy the treatment that the commercial farmers use.

Suzanne: We don't like to spray on our home ground things.

You know, sometimes I have used a little fungicide I mean I do sell because I want to help them a little bit longer.

Amanda: But I don't think that if you got downy mildew that the fungicide that you and I get in is gonna be effective.

Suzanne: One thing I use is a dead bug brew which is a you know, organic one.

It's called something dead bug.

I mean, and I use it and I use also Bonide Eight, which is a permethrin kind of product, you know, I use them very sparingly late in the day and late in the day, I try to keep my pollinators alive.

Terasa: And as a good extension agent, we know she always reads and follows the pesticide label.

Amanda: And it used to be that people use dust, and then we found out that you know, the dust that is gonna be active when the bees come.

So we never want to use those.

In most situations, Suzanne: You just have to be as careful as you can read the instructions and hopefully you don't.

Also the other thing you need to check is, how long before heart Can you spray.

So you want to use some of your more organic stuff that only half a day, you know, pre harvest interval is what P H I and that's how many hours or days you can eat this, you know, after the last spray it.

So that's another good thing.

Amanda: Thank you so much.

Well, let's see what else is sitting around the nursery that you just so kindly picked up and brought, oh, gosh, talk about shiny.

Did you polish that?

Bill>>: I did not let's come on Super shining just like that.

It's a Kangaroo Paw fern.

So I like these, this is a shade, you know suitable for your front porch.

This is a little bit smaller one, we have some bigger pots.

and It's surprisingly Hardy.

If anything, anywhere you would put like a Boston Fern, on your front porch, this would work well.

but it has a little bit better cold tolerance.

And if as it grows, if you can see around the edges, it'll grow right over the edge of the pot.

and so as this grows, it'll grow over and cover the entire pot.

and you will have this big fluffy fern.

Now most of the time at the end of the summer, you have to just throw those ferns away.

Or try and put them in your garage or have and help you try and bring it inside.

Because they will It's huge.

and they will drop leaves.

Sure no matter how good you take care it's gonna drop leaves.

Yeah, so this one, you've got actual leaves on here.

So if you bring this inside, it'll overwinter just fine.

and if one of these leaves dies, it'll just hang on here.

It's not like you got a big mess.

You don't make a mess.

and then you put it back out in the spring and it starts putting on new leaves.

and if you've kept it well it might look good, right straight when you put it out.

That's something you could have for several years, and each year it would just look better and better.

Amanda: That shine on it is just remarkable, isn't it?

>>They do stay Bill>>: pretty clean, beautiful.

and just has that real tropical feel to it.

Amanda: It does.

On a hot day.

You just go.

Oh, it can't be all that bad.

Because look how beautiful the fern is.

Bill>>: Beautiful green fern.

Amanda: Thank you so much.

That was really fun.

Okay, Over in Florence at the fair at the farmers market.

I think that's where it is, isn't it Terasa?

may have some people are there all the time, which is fun, not just when people have watermelons and squash and cucumbers the farmers bring them in to make them available to their customers.

and so Holly Beaumier has decided that she's going to have a all year round business there of succulents and she came and talked to us about it was pretty fascinating.

Well, my guest today is Holly Beaumier from Florence, and she has a business called Growing Hobby.

and It's all about succulents.

Holly: That's right.

and Amanda, thank you for having me.

Amanda: Oh, I'm just delighted.

I'm already so excited about all this.

So, first of all, what would be an overall definition of a succulent?

Holly: Succulents are plants that store water for drought periods.

Amanda: So what are some examples?

Holly: Your typical cacti are succulents and also Aloe most people are familiar with aloe.

and one of the most common especially like three generations passing them along are the hens and chicks.

So these are really cool because there's a center hen and then the chicks grow around her.

Sometimes you'll see the hen die away so that the chicks have more room to grow.

Amanda: I've seen in old yards some that were kind of gray and flatter.

You said there are many different types of hens and chicks.

Holly: There are there are and I feel like every year there are more different types as they hybridize.

Amanda: This is unusual in that this one is can survive our winters outside correct the others are a little bit cold tender.

About 40 degrees?

Holly: About 40 I would start bringing in your plants, the succulents.

Amanda: Alright, well, while we're here, should we talk some about these?

Holly: Sure, sure.

Another typical succulent is the trailing type string of pearls of bananas.

This one is string of dolphins.

and I just wanted to bring this along because the seeds that it puts out is, this is how it will propagate on its own.

You can also just snip and leave the piece out for a couple of days and then stick it in the dirt and you'll have a new plant.

Amanda: And that's one reason that people love these so much.

They're so simple to propagate.

>>Yes.<< and so are there some in here that have some other interesting features?

Holly: Yes we have Haworthia, It's called lawyers tongue or Ox Tongue.

It has these pups growing out.

and as soon as those get a little bit of traction with some roots, you can cut those off and propagate from there.

This type of aloe, It's a tiger tooth aloe.

It grows straight up.

and It's a type of climbing aloe.

and it also pups out pups.

So you can cut out the pups.

and you can also just cut it in the middle and let it callus over a little bit harden up and then just put it straight in the dirt also.

Amanda: And there's this like an aloe in that you could break it off and use it.

Holly: You can also use for medicinal purposes yes.

Amanda: All right.

and then got a little delicate.

Holly: Yes, yes, that's a string of turtles.

That's something new that they came out with.

It's just It's a type of Peperomia It's kind of a pseudo succulent, I treat it a little bit more like a typical houseplant.

Amanda: So you said they're even on people who are doing this and propagating it.

Some of them are protected under a patent for a certain amount of time.

Holly: Yes.

So I need to make sure that I take care and not pull off a couple of leaves and start a new plant because that's not my property.

Amanda: Yeah, no, that's right.

Yeah, a lot to be aware of.

and then let's talk a little bit about the medium that you have them in.

Holly: All of the plants that we have at Growing Hobby are put into a mix of potting soil, Coco quar, which is ground up coconut shells, and a special clay coming out of California.

Amanda: And that's for that that is because of the pH that you want?

Holly: The pH and also for drainage.

Amanda: So that you said that, while most plants have that little window, you know, the upper fives and sixes, these prefer are very low.

Holly: 5.5 That's what we're going for.

Amanda: That's, that's probably what you'd find in a lot of South Carolina soils.

Okay, and then I'm over here.

So, these are cacti and cacti are succulents, but not all succulents are cacti.

Holly: That's correct.

Amanda: Okay.

All right.

These all look like they might not have stick they might have something on him that you wouldn't want to get your fingers.

Holly: This one right here he's old man in the mountain.

He does have thorns but you can see he also has a beard as they grow hair and and the thorns also in part are to help with shading the plants whenever it gets really sunny.

So the thorns of course protected from predators.

and then it also provides... it also collects dew and cuts down on the wind evaporatorating.

Amanda: So but so there's no such thing as too much sun for them.

Holly: Oh, there is, Yeah.

In fact, many of the plants will keep all of their pores closed during the day and then they will do their photosynthesizing at night.

Amanda: So so all of these have this kind of glaucous look to them.

For that reason that sun protection.

>>It is, It's sun protection.<< Gosh, isn't that something?

Holly: And some look like they are just nice and furry, but those are prickles?

Amanda: Yeah.

Was trying to better Oh, yeah, wouldn't you know sometimes there's a little prickles for the worse ones.

>>Yes, yes.<< Okay.

Now cacti I guess, aren't they?

They wouldn't be quite as easy to propagate.

Maybe It's one of these fellas.

Holly: You'd be surprised these guys.

You can just cut them in half, and just put the other half in the ground.

This one would callus over at the top but probably grow too.

Amanda: Oh, well.

Isn't that something these are... Holly: These ones like to stay in a grouping.

Their seeds don't travel very far.

They just dropped straight down.

Amanda: So in nature, you'd find them.

They're really handsome.

I like that one.

Holly: These wtill grow to about 30 feet tall.

Amanda: Oh goodness, and they're native to different places.

Holly: Those would be mountainous.

Amanda: Mountainous?

How interesting because we think of them as.

You know?

>>Yes, yes.<< So they're really varied in where they grow.

Holly: And we were just talking about seeds and how far away they fall.

There is haworthia here.

This one is really cool because seed is at the tip of that inflorescence.

So its goal is to get the seed out as far away from it as it can, and drop those seeds so that those seeds have a chance to live.

Amanda: Now, most of these have low water requirements is that correct?

>>yes, that is correct.<< and grow in places that have a drier soil?

Holly: For the most part.

Yes.

Now these ones prefer to have shade over them.

Amanda: My goodness.

Well, and this one you said has the most interesting thing in the world going on?

What would it look like if you stumbled across it in its native area?

Holly: You might not even see it, if you if you were going in its native area, it actually buries itself in the ground.

So all you would see are these tiny little tips up at the top.

And these tips have, we call them stained glass windows, and they let the sun in.

and, you know, if it only had this much surface for the sun to do its photosynthesis, it would have a hard time.

But what it does is it lets all the sun come in and use the inside of the surface of the leaves for Photosynthesis, Amanda: If you will real close to when you can put your finger up and see that It's somewhat translucent, you can see through that is just fascinating.

and now these are the different ways that times of year that they flower, depending on where they originate.

>>Correct.<< So this one is really strange, let's talk about that.

Holly: These are actually from South Africa.

and normally, any of our house plants, they will have a dormancy period during the winter.

but these guys never forget that they're from South Africa.

So I was really lucky to have this have a flower and this time, normally it would be in the fall.

and I have to make sure that during the summer, I don't water them very much.

Because right now they're sleeping.

Amanda: Yes.

Isn't that something just remarkable.

So now these kind of look like the color of them is?

Seems like a succulent color.

and is there a reason that that seems so familiar to us?

Holly: I think that these were probably whenever we thought succulents 10 15 years ago, these are the ones that we saw in the stores and they've varied so much now.

But these all have a coating.

It's like a wax coating.

It's called Farina.

It protects from the sun.

and all of these have that there's a couple of types of sedum, and these are echeveria.

Here, the echeveria and the sedum, they all do very well in propagating by leaves.

So if a leaf were to fall off, like this one did, oh, then it grows roots.

and then it'll grow a plant.

So all you have to do is set it on the soil, and it will just grow.

and you don't even need to water it until the leaf is completely dried up because it has everything it needs in that leaf.

Amanda: Gracious goodness, what incredible plants.

You know, we think of them just being so much full sun, but you're saying that because of where they are.

They often there's very little moisture in the soil.

So there's not much going around them.

Right, and so they don't get shaded from anything nearby.

So that's why they have to come up with these ideas of cut down on sun.

Holly: Exactly.

I feel like every one of them has a different character.

and I brought these two because a lot of times when we buy from the store, they are just like perfect, and you bring them home and maybe two months later, you're like what in the world is happening to this and it starts to get a little bit Leggy maybe.

Typically I like to leave them as they are, I want them to do their natural thing.

but during the... Amanda: You said the reason that they do this is to get to reach for the sun.

Holly: That's correct.

So if they don't have enough sun, particularly during the winter, then they will start to do this and you'll have this happening in your pots in the spring.

So I was hoping that we could cut this one apart so I can show people what to do whenever they get this look and they don't care for it.

Amanda: Well, let's play doctor >>Okay.<< Holly: So this echeveria is called topsy turvy.

You can seed from the leaves they're turned inside out.

>>It's really quite lovely.<< It really is.

This is one of my favorites.

Amanda: Wouldn't that make like a neat Boutonniere.

>>It would.<< That would be so much fun.

Okay, Holly: So this one had grown out and lost, there were leaves all through here last summer.

and it lost those leaves.

and it started to grow additional plants here.

and there's one extra little pup growing here.

So what we would do...

I need to turn this around.

and I think that's fair, because you just don't cut it.

Yeah, we're just going to cut it.

This part here will live off of the roots, and it's stored reserves.

It will be perfectly fine.

It'll start growing more of these right on the end.

Oh, okay.

From the cut end.

>>Right.

Okay, right.<< Then this little guy, I don't want to disturb him.

So I'm just going to leave some of that stem on there for him.

and then cut him, I'm gonna let you hold on to him.

Okay, so he will need to sit on the ground for about three or four days for it to callus over.

and then you can just stick it in the ground a little bit.

and he'll start growing.

Amanda: Now, is she going to grow from the end here?

Or is this going to continue to grow?

>>Both.<< So you'll have...

Okay, Holly: Whichever end you put into the dirt is where the roots are going to grow.

Okay.

All right.

and then this is the same, you would leave it on top of the dirt for a little while and then just place it in.

You have a beautiful look and plant again.

Amanda: Isn't that something?

Now, you said that you enjoy mixing them at your shop and having different types together?

Holly: I do?

I do.

but I always try to make sure that I'm doing... Amanda: Similar cultural requirements.

Holly: Exactly.

So a lot of times I do just a haworthia types of arrangements.

and there are so many types of haworthia.

This is my favorite for terrarium is closed to our areas.

and then I'll also take more of this type here and have those in a single type of arrangement.

Of course, cacti would go in a different Yeah.

Amanda: And then sometimes you have workshops and you do crazy things like I have some old shoes that have a much higher heel... Tell me some of the fun things to do sometimes and you have workshops, Holly: We actually invite our customers to bring in their old high heeled shoes, wear anymore, we drill holes in the bottom so that it has some sort of drainage.

and we make little mini gardens.

So It's just started little.

Amanda: Yeah.

and other things as well.

Yeah.

and all of these do have good drainage.

>>Yes.<< and the soil is also very porous.

So yes, yeah, yeah.

Now do you fertilize them ever?

Holly: I do when it is their growing season, >>Which is like the fellows from South Africa have a different season?<< Yeah.

I'll fertilize them about once a month.

Amanda: Okay and then how much light do they need?

Holly: Most of them need a good deal of light, like direct sunlight so that they don't grow Leggy like... but they don't necessarily.

They don't care if they're leggy, right.

So they can grow in like filtered light next to a window.

They're fine.

Amanda: Well, I think that they don't need a whole lot of water either.

Even around wintertime.

and I'm not picky about sunlight.

Don't need a whole lot of fertilizer.

Sounds perfect.

That sounds like my kind of plant.

>>Yes.<< and so if people want to know and you have your location is where?

Holly: It's at the Pee Dee state farmers market.

I have a permanent booth there.

Amanda: If people want to find out more about it, your name again is?

>>Growing Hobby.<< Holly: We have we have a Facebook page.

All right.

Okay.

and if you just Google "Growing Hobby in Florence", you can just give me a call.

Amanda: Okay.

and you put pictures there a fun things y'all do as well.

>>Oh, yes, absolutely.<< Well, I can tell that you're having a good time with this.

and I want to thank you for sharing this fascinating information with our viewers today.

Holly: Well, thank you.

I appreciate it.

Amanda: Holly is always having all these fun programs that you can go over and do.

Terasa we need to go and do one of those programs.

I think we have real good time, don't you?

>>Yes.<< Yeah, maybe she'll come back soon.

I hope so.

Well, as you know, I don't have anything in my yard anymore except a lot of weeds and but Thank goodness for it my friend Ann Nulty I went out there and wait she had these Amaryllis that are I don't know Amaryllis on steroids is all I can say I mean and I had to pull one of these blooms off because it kind of broken in the car over here and then also had some Solomon's... you know, variegated Solomon's seal which I believe is a Japanese one?

Is that do you know or is it just anyway but it does you say it does real well.

Mine doesn't multiply too much but she said it does.

Well, Bill>>: Yeah absolutely in a sort of semi wet shade.

Morning Sun dappled sun situation.

Long arching branches and a Amanda: I think mine's in too much shade but um, maybe I will try to spend some time and move it out a little bit because it sure is pretty isn't it?

Bill>>: I don't think It's pure shade a little bit of sun would probably help it out.

Amanda: Okay, well I will try that but it is just a beautiful filler and when if you cut it, it just it lasted a vase for a long time, which is always nice.

I think we pretty roses wouldn't it.

Okay, well Bill of the many wonderful things you have at the nursery.

What are you going to show to us next?

Bill>>: We've got a buddleia and this is a butterfly bush buddleia.

This one is called Pugster Periwinkle >>A peculiar name.<< Pugster and it kind of envisioned that It's a shorter one.

You know, we've had butterfly bushes for a long time, and they tend to get big, 8-9-10 feet or more and a bit straggly for lack of a better term.

The Black Knight is one that's been around forever with a dark purple bloom.

The bloom is beautiful, but the plant not always that attractive, very good for butterflies.

But this is going to be a short like two to three feet by two to three feet wide, with full size blooms on it.

and it will attract butterflies, as its name implies, but bees and your other pollinators will come to this also.

So this is a great purple or beautiful color.

It does come in a white and a pink also in this same size, but It's a little more manageable so you can get that.

Those blooms for those pollinators that you want to come into your garden without this huge shrub.

Well, a Amanda: Well, a lot of us have smaller yards now.

Susie, I think you and I are going to have a big yard this too much for us forever.

But a lot of people have smaller yards and isn't it wonderful that the nursery traders is responding to that.

Suzanne: I think that one's beautiful too.

Amanda: It is pretty Yeah.

Oh, all righty.

Full sun?

Bill>>: Full sun and no real problems.

He's tough as nails.

Amanda: Gosh.

Okay, and comes back reliably year after year reliably.

Yes.

Well, thank you so much for bringing they're sharing it with us.

We appreciate it.

Okay, Terasa?

Terasa: Let's see if we can help Alma who writes in from Myrtle Beach.

What should we do?

Amanda: Oh my goodness.

Well, Campbell, what do you think's going on with this?

Campbell: A lace bug.

So usually they'll come in the spring March full sun is usually where they're worse.

It does look like a speckling.

It's almost like a small variegation but ugly variegation.

So It's a little insect and when they hatch out the nymphs and eat them up and then basically sucking some of the juices and stuff out.

Amanda: Oh, and that's why it gets speckly.

Campbell: Speckly on there and it can be a problem and this year actually was a lot worse than normal and like typical Azaleas you can treat them as when It's cooler weather.

I like to use a horticultural oil and you just soak the plant with a horticultural oil.

You mix it up in a sprayer and spray it down till It's dripping and repeat it 10 to 14 days usually you can get rid of them that way.

If It's in the spring and it happens so hot sun probably could get get rid of those lace bugs, prune them back and they'll flush back out just make sure you get them pruned back before July when they're putting out their new buds and then then they can bloom again so.

Amanda: I've always heard that you need to prune your Azaleas before the Fourth of July.

If you want to have the new growth have flowers that exists right before July so we always say after masters from Augusta everything kind of roots around the masters.

Famous for having a lot of Azaleas wait till after they bloom.

Amanda: I think a lot of people in the country have heard of the Masters.

To do with Golf you said It's pretty exciting with what's going on down there.

Campbell: It really is It's kind of in It's a for of somebody that likes botanical things horticulture stuff, you know, not just the sport of it.

It's the the beauty of the course and the plants that go along with it.

My kids call me a tree nerd and a plant nerd so they have fun making fun of that.

Suzanne: Campbell they might not know this but tell them how about holes are named after Campbell: there's a each hole has a has a is named after a plant.

The original grounds of Augusta National was a nursery.

So they kind of coincided the nursery when it moved over and was bought out to to match up with some of the nursery things so maybe where the row was supposed to be was tea olive is the first hole and then you know, there's azaleas on over there on Amen corner.

So It's really kind of a neat correlation with it so.

Amanda: And you said they are expert horticulturist.

Campbell: They really do a great job there and to get fun to get to hear the history about Magnolia lane and the people that planted was the place who Suzanne: We're talking about clear.

Campbell: Also did the Augusta National Magnolia Lane.

So there's still a lot of fun history, especially when people enjoy plants.

Amanda: So much fun that you've that you share that with us.

We appreciate it.

Okay, thank you got to show and tell over by Terasa.

Bill>>: We've got a hydrangea, Miss Saori.

the reason this hydrangea stands out would be the leaves.

We look at those bronze sort of reddish leaves.

What a great backdrop for that pink, the white flower with the pink edges.

I have not seen this very often.

It is a dwarf so It's going to be topping out at maybe three by three.

So a little bit shorter, great looking leaves beautiful blooms.

It's a really unique showstopper of a hydrangea and how do you spell it?

S A O R I Amanda: S A O R I. I'm sorry.

It was just beautiful.

and um, the blooms, I'm sure it'd be there.

Just everybody likes to cut beautiful hydrangeas and bring them inside.

Absolutely.

Bill>>: They're just starting to pop out.

So those will be nice foreheads but they're just starting to peek out and when this is in full bloom, It's a it'll make your neighbor stop.

Amanda: Now will it like filtered light.

Bill>>: Morning Sun is really good.

If you could protect it from some of that afternoon.

They have big, juicy leaves and they're moving a lot of water and if they're in full sun they can't quite keep up.

I had one of my hydrangeas in too much sun and every day when I would come home from work, it'd be wilted.

You get up in the morning and the leaves are back up.

Amanda: But better just to put it in the right to put it in the right spot.

>>Correct.<< Thank you for sharing that with us.

We really appreciate it.

Okay, Terasa, who's next?

Terasa: Greta from Johnsonville is next people are always looking for advice and help and inspiration.

Greta says: Amanda: Goodness, um, well Suzanne, what would you recommend?

Suzanne: We call these some of the smaller trees or under story trees in other words they want under the top of the canopy.

Under pine trees under oak trees.

So to maybe one come to mind the red bud and dogwood Yes.

and they both have small trees that like to grow and we have a red bud here.

and this one is called Rising Sun No...

This is called flame thrower.

Because you can see the different colors the wonderful thing about is the heart shaped leaves on this as you know, these heart shaped leaves are beautiful.

So we have the regular one that you know grows out in our woods and so they come up with some really interesting ones forest pansy is one that we've seen the most of.

It's a purple is leaf.

Amanda: Really purple too.

Suzanne: It's really, I mean almost like a little dark place it looks really well.

Then we have one that's a yellow one called rising sun it almost looks like what's wrong with you?

But It's really yellow.

Like this one is flame thrower.

So we have some new varieties that you can get out there or you can you know, get the old one.

These are another one that we don't, that I really like is fringe trees.

and I liked the American fringe tree and the Asian Chinese fringe tree.

and to me This is a wonderful small tree.

So that would be you know.

Amanda: Sometimes called grand fathers gray beard.

Suzanne: I have a huge one in you know, in my yard.

That's the native one and It's absolutely beautiful.

but I'm also very partial to the foreign one okay.

>>It's showier.<< Yeah, it is a lot showier.

Yeah, retusus and they planted them in downtown Augusta, and you know in different places in North Augusta and they are great.

little street trees Believe it or not, Amanda: I think the Asian one can take more sun.

Yeah, It's more adaptable.

Suzanne: Yeah, and It's the other ones get kind of unkempt.

You know, the Asian one is a lot.

It also have a different trunk structure.

It's very beautiful in the wintertime.

So yeah, so that's three of my good choices for small tree.

Terasa: I have a rising sun in my yard.

It's really beautiful.

and you're right sometimes you look at the leaves, you're like, is it okay what Yes, that's just the colors supposed to be but speaking of colors of leaves, you'll see like the forest pansy being so purple and so the pigments in the leaves are altered.

So we're seeing more of anthocyanins the purple colors, rather than seeing the green chlorophyll.

So if you're considering wildlife value, some of the things that we do when we change plants affects its attractiveness to wildlife.

So if we make something that doesn't produce seeds and our birds or depending on the seeds, then that could be a negative impact.

Sometimes that we want really showy flowers and then our pollinators are not able to access the pollen and nectar resources.

and then like the pigments in the leaves, it might make them less palatable for the caterpillars that feed on them.

and of course, we know we need caterpillars to feed baby birds.

So I'm not saying you know, don't utilize them, but just things to think about when you're selecting plants.

Amanda: I always think of red buds as you said, as being understory trees.

but some of these new ones I think are kind of designed to be out in the sun.

I'm not so sure about that.

But in the city of Columbia, on divine street, they have sources, texts or... Terasa: Still canadensis and I think maybe a variety of variety Texas Canadensis.

Something like that.

I called up and spoke with the horticulturist in city of Columbia and she said that one takes full sun and that It's much more compact.

and Terasa was the fancy name for when the flowers and leaves come out of the stems and not just the ends of little branches.

Terasa: I have a hard time saying it.

It's like cauliflower, ... or something.

Yeah.

Amanda: That have also Red bud Suzette, if you can show it on that one.

Every time there's a node red buds take a little branch, they go in a different direction slightly.

So for people like me who like to make flower arrangements, I like to find them sometimes in the winter or just use the twigs, because nobody wants a straight stick.

and there are some now I think Terasa that are have been cultivated and continued, that are really crooked.

You know?

I mean, you wouldn't think you bought that.

but I mean, It's really kind of dramatic.

Looking at this just Zig Zig Zig Zig Zig, some plant breeders are having quite a field day these days, aren't they?

Terasa: Indeed.

There's just so many options out there.

Amanda: Okay, Bill, we've got about three minutes.

If you got something that's got so many.

I don't know if we can talk about all the beautiful things in that in three minutes.

Bill>>: This is a barberry This is called sunjoy Tangelo barberry.

and barberries in general are very hardy.

Many landscapers use these especially commercial landscapers where they need a plant where they can just go ahead and put it in and leave it and not have to worry about it.

It may not be under irrigation, it'll be fine, full sun, hot sun out in the middle of the islands.

Amanda: Also if it's a place where people would like to walk, they're not going to walk through.

Bill>>: So the only downside at all that I can that to these really would be the thorns.

and you know, it does have thorns, but Amanda: Then a lot of things.

We still play at power camp.

Bill>>: So this comes in this particular one, the new growth is coming out with this really amazing orangey red, then it turns more into red, it has a yellow edge on it.

and then it turns more green.

It'll change colors throughout the year.

and this is just one of them.

Amanda: Green is such a fresh vibrant green.

Bill>>: Chartreuse, green.

and this particular the Barbary family, there's burgundy ones, there's lime green ones, there's ones that have a real colomer shape to them.

Ones that stay very, very low.

It's a pretty big family of plants that can just handle life on their own without having to really worry about it.

Amanda: It seems to me that perhaps at one time did they set seeds and they kind of spread or is that something that I'm remembering wrong?

Suzanne, do you remember?

Suzanne: I know I don't remember that.

Amanda: But um, at any rate, this one looks like It's maybe going to stay reasonable size.

What do you think?

Bill>>: Yes, this will be in that two foot range but some used to be big.

There are really big ones.

One of my favorites.

When I worked at the zoo they used to use one called Julienne, which have ever cut.

Yes, Julianne.

This one was called Julianne and it had two inch long thorns on it.

Thank y'all so much.

and thank y'all for being with us.

We'll see you next week.

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