>>> JD VANCE HITS THE TRAIL.

NOW HE NEEDS AN OPPONENT.

>> WELCOME TO "COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD."

IT HAS BEEN ONE MONTH SINCE THE TRUMP-BIDEN DEBATE, JUST ONE MONTH.

THIS WEEK THE COMBINATION OF THE FALLOUT FROM JOE BIDEN'S POOR PERFORMANCE CAME WHEN HE WITH DREW FROM THE RACE AND QUICKLY ENDORSED KAMALA HARRIS.

OHIO DEMOCRATS RUSHED TO ENDORSE HARRIS, INCLUDING JOYCE BEATTY, WHO UP UNTIL THIS WEEK WAS 100% BEHIND JOE BIDEN.

>> WE HAVE HAD THE HONOR TO WORK WITH HER.

TO SERVE WITH HER.

TO TRAVEL WITH HER.

AND WE HAVE WITNESSED HER REACH CAPTIVATE YOUNG CHILDREN.

I HAVE SEEN HER STRENGTH, I HAVE SEEN HER AS AMERICA HAS SEEN HER STAND UP FOR LAW AND ORDER AND JUSTICE.

AS WELL AS A PROTECTOR FOR THOSE WHOSE VOICES ARE NOT HEARD.

>> YOU HAVE BEEN CRITICAL OF THE DEMOCRATS PLAYING BY THE OLD PLAYBOOK, ESTABLISHED DEMOCRATS.

IT WAS A QUICK TRANSITION FROM BIDEN TO HARRIS, WITHIN 48 HOURS.

WAS THAT THE BEST THING FOR DEMOCRATS RIGHT NOW?

>> ETIQUETTE WAS THE BEST THING.

IT CERTAINLY WAS A BIT OF A SURPRISE THAT THEY HAVE THIS SUNDAY AFTERNOON ANNOUNCEMENT FROM PRESIDENT BIDEN.

I THINK IT WAS CRITICAL HE FOLLOWED IT UP OFFICIALLY WITH AN ENDORSEMENT OF VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS.

OTHERWISE THERE COULD HAVE BEEN UNCERTAINTY AND ROOM FOR PEOPLE TO JOCKEY AND TRY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY OF POTENTIALLY BECOMING THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF IT WAS QUITE THE OPPOSITE.

EVERYONE GOT AROUND HER.

THERE IS ALSO A LOT OF FIXATION ON HOW STRONG CAN BLACK WOMEN CANDIDATES BE?

CAN THEY WIN THE RACE IS JUST BASED ON DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE COUNTRY.

PRESIDENT BIDEN PUT THAT TO BED AS WELL.

RUN OUR RECORD, A STRONG RECORD, SHE IS THE ONE.

>> WHAT DOES THIS DO TO OHIO?

I THINK THAT TRUMP IS THE OVERWHELMING FAVORITE BUT DOES THIS ENERGIZE OHIO DEMOCRATS TO CLOSE THE GAP?

>> I THINK THE BIGGER QUESTION IS WHO DOES SHE PICK FOR VICE PRESIDENT?

MY GUESS IS ON THE ARIZONA SENATOR BEING THE ONE.

I THINK THERE IS A QUESTION OF WHICH STRATEGY DO THEY FOLLOW NATIONALLY?

DO THEY GO AFTER THE MIDWEST BELT OF N'DJAMENA, MICHIGAN, WISCONSIN, TO GET TO THE ELECTORAL VOTES.

OR DO THEY SHIFTED THE SUN BELT?

WHICH WAY DO THEY GO IN TERMS OF THE ELECTORAL STRATEGY?

ULTIMATELY YOU HAVE GOT TO WIN THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE AND VIRTUALLY NO SCENARIO IS OHIO THAT IMPORTANT.

>> DEMOCRATS IN OHIO HOLDING OUT HOPE THAT MAYBE THEY CAN PUT THE STATE BLUE?

>> I THINK IT IS A LITTLE EARLY TO MAKE THOSE RECLAMATION'S.

I DID NOTE THIS WEEK THAT THE REPUBLICAN SENATE CANDIDATE, HIS CAMPAIGN DID SWAP OUT TOO CLOSE TO HARRIS.

THEY JUST SWITCH THE CHANNEL.

SHE DISAPPEARED AND REAPPEARED.

MY TAKEAWAYS THAT PUBLICANS VIEW THEM AS THE SAME.

IF THEY VIEWED THEM AS DIFFERENTLY THEY WOULD NOT DO THAT.

>> A LOT OF COPYING AND CUTTING AND PASTING IN SPEECHES AND CAMPAIGN ADS OVER THE PAST WEEK.

BIDEN, FOR HARRIS.

SHOULD BROWN REALLY TRY TO DISTANCE HIMSELF FROM BIDEN?

OR DOES HE EMBRACE HARRIS?

>> I THINK HE WILL CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT SHERIF HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT.

NOT THE TOP OF THE TICKET.

HE IS BEEN TALKING ABOUT HIS RECORD, WITH WORKERS, WITH WORKED ON IN THE SENATE.

I THINK THAT IS WHAT WILL CONTINUE TO SEE OUT OF HIM.

>> I THINK THE BIGGEST QUESTION IS THE CAMPAIGN, REMEMBER WE HAVE THREE MONTHS, PLUS LOTS OF TIME TO GO.

WILL THIS BE A BATTLE OF PERSONALITIES?

BOTH TRUMP AND HARRIS HAVE A LOT OF PERSONALITIES, A LOT OF THINGS TO GET PEOPLE EXCITED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

OR IS IT MORE ABOUT POLICIES?

I WOULD LOOK AT THE POLLING, WHERE IS THE PEOPLES' VIEW WITH THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNTRY?

RIGHT NOW ABOUT 70 TO 75% THINK THE COUNTRY IS IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.

DO THEY WANT TO KEEP MORE OF THE SAME?

DO THEY THINK THINGS HAVE CHANGED?

WHERE ARE THEY AT IT POLICY VERSUS PERSONALITY?

>> SOME OF THOSE FOLKS ARE DEMOCRATS THAT DO NOT LIKE THE PROSPECT OF TRUMP IN OFFICE.

>> AGAIN, PEOPLE HAVE STRONG OPINIONS BUT IS IT POLICY OR PERSONALITY?

>> IN A RECENT POLL, SHOWING THAT 57% OF BLACK VOTERS WERE READY TO VOTE FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN.

THAT IS DOWN FROM THE 83% HE GOT IN 2020 AND WAY, WAY DOWN FROM WHAT OBAMA GOT, 96%.

WHAT IMPACTS WILL HARRIS HAVE ON THE BLACK VOTE IN OHIO?

>> SHE COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE A BIG IMPACT.

I AGREE WITH WHAT OTHER PANELISTS HAVE SAID, IT IS UNLIKELY THAT OHIO IS IN PLAY FOR THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE MAP THAT NEEDS TO COME TOGETHER FOR VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS TO COME TOGETHER TO WIN.

IT IS STILL EARLY BUT SEEMS UNLIKELY.

WE HAVE SEEN UNPRECEDENTED LEVELS OF ENTHUSIASM.

PEOPLE ARE PROUD OF THE PARTY AND PRESIDENT BIDEN FOR MAKING THE DECISION IN SMALL DOLLAR DONORS ARE UP FOR HER.

PEOPLE OUT TO VOLUNTEER.

SOME WILL TRICKLE DOWN.

REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS AT THE PRESIDENTIAL END END OF THE PICKET.

>> THIS IS THE HONEYMOON OF SORTS.

SHE IS THE NEW FACE, POSITIVE PRESS OFF THE BAT.

HOW LONG DOES IT LAST?

NOW SHE HAS TO RUN HER RECORD AFTER SORT OF THE EXCITEMENT WEARS OFF.

THE CONVENTION IS COMING UP.

THE NEGATIVE ADS WILL START.

HOW LONG DOES THE EXCITEMENT LAST?

>> WE WILL SEE.

BUT THERE IS USUALLY A HALO EFFECT FROM THE CONVENTION ITSELF.

IT IS MAYBE A STROKE OF GOOD TIMING IF THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN THAT HAPPENED BEFORE THERE IS A VIRTUAL CONVENTION SCHEDULED IN THE ACTUALS CONVENTION ITSELF.

THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.

I THINK WITH DEMOCRATS, A WEEK AGO THEY WOULD NOT HAVE SAID WE ARE REALLY DISCOURAGED BY THE STATE OF THIS RACE.

IT WAS TABOO TO SAY OUT LOUD.

BUT I THINK THE EXCITEMENT YOU SEE IN THE ACKNOWLEDGMENT WITH THOSE CONCERNS IN RETROSPECT HAS SPOKEN FOR ITSELF.

>> IT IS LATE, ONLY 100 DAYS LEFT.

SHERIF BROWN CAME OUT AND SAID THAT JOE BIDEN SHOULD STEP ASIDE, EVEN THOUGH JOYCE BEATTY SAID SHE WAS 100% WITH JOE BIDEN AND NOW 100% WITH KAMALA HARRIS.

THAT THIS TRANSLATES INTO PEOPLE COMING OUT TO THE POLLS WHO WHEN IT ORDINARILY VOTED.

I THINK THAT IS THE AREA.

WHEN I TALK TO POLITICIANS, POLY SIDE EFFECTS, THEY TELL ME THE THING THAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT IS WHO WILL ENERGIZE THE VOTERS THAT HAVE BEEN SITTING ON THE SIDELINES SINCE OBAMA RAN FOR OFFICE.

ONE THING I HAVE NOTICED IS THIS'S MORNING THERE WAS AN AD RELEASED BY HARRIS AND IT WAS , IT SOUNDED LIKE THE "YES WE CAN" ADD , FAMOUS FROM OBAMA.

AND IT WAS FREEDOM, WITH BEYONCÉ, I GUESS THAT IS HER NAME.

YOU KNOW?

IT WAS LIKE A VERY REMINISCENT OF THAT HAD.

I DO NOT KNOW IF THERE IS LIKE A DELIBERATE ATTEMPT.

IT SURE SOUNDED OBAMA ASK TO ME.

>> WE WILL BACKUP.

TURNOUT IS A BIG THING TO MEASURE.

"THE NEW YORK TIMES" CAME OUT WITH A NEW POLL AND I LIKE TO LOOK AT THE INTERNALS AND SEE.

THERE ARE SOME BIG DIFFERENCES ARE SOME OTHER KEY CATEGORIES.

THE DEMOCRATS, ONE REASON THEY HAD TO DUMP PRESIDENT BIDEN WAS BECAUSE HE WAS LAGGING AND NOT ENERGIZING YOUNGER IN MINORITY AND CITY VOTERS.

OBVIOUSLY THEY HAD TO FIRE IT UP AND I THINK HARRIS COULD POTENTIALLY DO THAT.

THE QUESTION IS AGAIN, WHAT ISSUES OR WHAT IS STRIVING PEOPLE?

RIGHT NOW IT IS STILL THE OLYMPICS, IT IS SUMMER, A LOT OF NORMAL PEOPLE, UNLIKE US AT THE TABLE, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO FOCUS UNTIL SEPTEMBER WHEN THEY KNOW IT IS SETTLED.

>> ALTHOUGH I THINK THE PAST MONTH HAS PEOPLE PAYING A LITTLE ATTENTION ANYWAY.

OF COURSE THE ELEVATION OF KAMALA HARRIS TO THE TOP OF THE TICKET MEANS THAT THEY DIVANS NEEDS A NEW OPPONENT.

OHIO'S JUNIOR SENATORS FIRST STOP ON THE PP CAMPAIGN TRAIL WAS IN HIS HOMETOWN OF MIDDLETOWN.

HE HIT ALL OF THE THEMES OF THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN.

>> HERE IS THE VERY SIMPLE THING.

WE BELIEVE THAT WE WANT TO MAKE MORE OF OUR OWN STUFF AND WE BELIEVE THAT WE WANT SECURE ELECTIONS.

WE BELIEVE THAT WE DON'T WANT SCHOOLS THAT INDOCTRINATE OUR CHILDREN.

I AM PROUD AND TO TAKE THE WISDOM FROM IT.

>> I BELIEVE WHOLEHEARTEDLY DONALD TRUMP AND BUTLER COUNTY'S JD VANCE ARE THE LAST CHANCE TO SAVE OUR COUNTRY POLITICALLY.

I AM AFRAID IF WE LOSE THIS ONE IT WILL TAKE A CIVIL WAR TO SAVE THE COUNTRY.

AND IT WILL BE SAVED!

IT IS THE GREATEST EXPERIMENT IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.

IF WE COME DOWN TO A CIVIL WAR I AM GLAD WE GOT PEOPLE LIKE SCHMIDT AND BIKERS FOR TRUMP ON OUR SIDE.

>> QUICKLY, AND FULLY, APOLOGIZING SAYING THAT HE GOT CAUGHT UP IN THE MOMENT AND HIS REMARKS DID NOT ACCURATELY REFLECT HIS VIEWS.

BUT THEY SAY THAT A GAFFE IS THE TRUTH BY ACCIDENT.

WHAT YOU MAKE OF WHAT HAPPENED THERE?

>> YOU CAN TAKE THE WORDS CIVIL WAR AND PEOPLE WILL MAKE AN ARGUE THAT YOU MEAN SOMETHING ELSE.

BUT PEOPLE AT THE STATE HAS TELL ME LAYING IS NOT THE KIND OF PERSON WAY OUT THERE ON THE EXTREMES.

BUT THE REAL REALITY IS THAT IT IS NICE TO TALK ABOUT FANS, RUNNING FOR VICE PRESIDENT.

BUT THIS ELECTION WILL BE ABOUT THE TWO STARS, THE PEOPLE YOU LOVE OR HATE AT THE TOP.

I AM NOT SURE WHAT THE VICE PRESIDENT OR WHEN A STATE SENATOR FROM OHIO SAY WILL BE A DECIDING FACTOR.

>> BUT IT DID DISTRACT FROM VANCE'S MEASURES THAT THEY.

HE WENT OFF SCRIPT AND MADE A JOKE THAT FELL FLAT.

HOW DO YOU THINK HE DID HIS FIRST WEEK?

>> AGAIN HE IS VICE PRESIDENT CANDIDATE.

THE MEDIA WILL OCCASIONALLY COVER THAT.

OPPONENTS WILL ATTACK HIM.

BE TRUMP VERSUS HARRIS.

THAT IS THE KEY THING, WHERE THEY ARE AT AT THE ISSUES AND THE DIFFERENCES.

AND WE WILL GET BACK TO THE SIX OR SEVEN KEY SWING STATES , WHERE ARE THE INDEPENDENCE AT, DID THE PEOPLE TURNOUT IN THE STATES?

THAT IS WHERE IT WILL BE.

>> JD VANCE, THEY BASICALLY SAY HE WILL PARK HIMSELF IN PENNSYLVANIA, MICHIGAN, WISCONSIN, TO TRY TO WIN THESE STATES.

HE WENT TO NEVADA AND ARIZONA THIS WEEK.

>> AND I'M SURE HE WILL BE CHECKING WITH HIS FRIENDS FOR MONEY ALONG THE WAY.

IT IS CLEAR TO ME THAT VANCE IS NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME.

HE ONLY WON THE SENATE SEAT BECAUSE HE GOT THE ENDORSEMENT OF TRUMP .

THAT HE WAS ABLE TO HAUL AWAY IN THE SENATE AND BE A STATESMAN AND FOCUS ON POLICY.

NOW HE IS BACK ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL AND WE SEE HOW HE WILL BE AFFILIATED WITH ALL THE REPUBLICANS, SOME ARE EXTREMELY OUT THERE.

AND SAYING THINGS LIKE, I KIND OF DISAGREE WITH TERRY A LITTLE.

WE ALL KNOW WHAT A CIVIL WAR IS AND WHAT IT MEANS AND THAT IS WHY WE DON'T USE THAT TERM OFTEN IN GENERAL CONVERSATION.

I THINK THERE WILL BE MAJOR LIABILITY COMING FROM JD VANCE.

THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD IS GETTING BACK TO ENGAGING WITH POP-CULTURE.

JEN Z IS TAPPING INTO HOW SCARY JD VANCE IS AND THE CHILD THIS CAT LADIES AND THAT RISK.

>> FOR VANCE'S FIRST WEEK ON THE CAMPAIGN AND THE SENATOR'S COMMENTS.

>> THE POLITICIANS ARE NOT AT THE STATEHOUSE THIS WEEK SO WE ARE NOT HEARING FROM THEM PERSONALLY.

YOU SAW, YOU KNOW, THE POLITICIANS WERE WALKING AWAY FROM THAT.

REPUBLICANS, OTHER REPUBLICANS ARE NOT REALLY GOING THERE.

THEY WERE ANOTHER TALKING POINT.

AND WE DID SEE, YOU KNOW, SOME DEMOCRATS TALKING ABOUT HOW THAT WAS AN OUT OF PLACE COMMENT AND SHOULD NEVER BEEN SAID.

BUT I THINK WHAT WE SEE MORE IS THE INCONSISTENCIES OF JD VANCE'S RECORD.

AND THAT IS WHAT DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN HAMMERING HOME THIS WEEK.

>> WE HAVE BEEN HERE IN OHIO.

HE RAN FOR SENATE AND HE TALKED ABOUT HOW HE HATED TRUMP AND DISLIKED HIM EARLY ON AND THEN CAME AROUND AND SAID HE WAS WRONG.

WE VETTED SOME OF THE STUFF OUT BUT NOW IT IS IN THE NATIONAL SPOTLIGHT ON HIM.

IT IS A DIFFERENT BALLGAME.

>> THE SAME ISSUE THAT HE DEALT WITH IN THE 2022 CAMPAIGN IN OHIO.

BEING RE-LITIGATED WITH THE NATIONAL STAGE.

WE ARE SEEING ON SERVICING OF THE COMMENTS HE MADE ABOUT CHILDLESS CAT LADIES AND VOTED FOR PARENTS TO HAVE MORE VOTES FOR THEIR KIDS.

HE SAID THINGS THAT WERE WRITTEN AT THE TIME.

THEY DID NOT GET THAT MUCH BROAD NOTICE AND MADE MORE SENSE IF YOU ARE AT A THINK TANK CONFERENCE ON THE RIGHT.

BUT NOW THAT HE IS A VICE PRESIDENT CANDIDATE IT HAS TO PLAY DIFFERENTLY.

HOW MUCH OF AN ISSUE WILL THEY MAKE OUT OF THIS TRUMP THING?

DO THEY CALL ATTENTION TO THAT?

I WILL BE INTERESTED TO SEE WHERE THEY GO.

ULTIMATELY YOU COULD SEE A CUT OF TAKE IT FROM TRUMP'S VICE PRESIDENT, ALL THESE THINGS THAT HE SAID ON TAPE, THEY HAVE A RICH BUFFET OF THINGS TO CHOOSE FROM.

FOR LACK OF A BATTLE 88 EIGHT BETTER TERM, HE SAID IN 2021, LET'S GIVE VOTES TO ALL CHILDREN IN THE COUNTRY BUT LET'S GIVE CONTROL OVER THOSE VOTES TO THE PARENTS OF THOSE CHILDREN.

THAT SEEMS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

>> I DO NOT THINK IT IS GOING ANYWHERE QUICK.

>> HE HAS ADDED A COUPLE TIMES.

>> YOU ARE RIGHT.

THERE IS A LOT OF VIDEO OUT THERE OF A LOT OF PEOPLE SAYING THINGS, INCLUDING AS LATE AS JULY 8th WHEN PRESIDENT BIDEN SAID WE NEED TO PUT A BULL'S- EYE ON TRUMP.

OBVIOUSLY THAT DID NOT PLAY WELL.

BUT IT DID NOT GET MUCH ATTENTION FROM THE MEDIA OTHER THAN LESTER HOLT ASKING HIM ABOUT IT AND HE TRIED TO WHIFFLE WAFFLE.

THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT POLITICIANS ON BOTH SIDES, AND THE VIDEO FILE, THE QUESTION WHAT IS RELEVANT FOR TODAY AND RELEVANT FOR TOMORROW.

>> AFTER THE TRUMP ATTEMPTED ASSASSINATION, THEY LOWERED THE VOLUME LIKE 36 OR 48 HOURS.

THERE WAS NO MORE CIVIL WAR ASKED ESSENTIAL THREATS TO DEMOCRACY.

>> TRUMPS RHETORIC CAN BE QUITE THE TROLLEY, BUT JD VANCE IS A LOT OF THINGS THAT REALLY STOKE THE FLAMES OF POLITICAL UNREST.

WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THEY MANAGE THAT.

I THINK ANOTHER DYNAMIC WE HAVE TO WATCH HERE IS IN THE SENATE SO FAR VANCE HAS TRIED TO ESTABLISH HIMSELF AS AN ECONOMIC POPULIST AND PUSHING IN A DIRECTION THAT WAS MORE PREVALENT IN TRUMP'S FIRST CAMPAIGN OF 2016, STRONG ON CHINA AND BRING BACK MANUFACTURING TO THE U.S. BIDEN HAS ADOPTED A LOT OF THAT AGENDA.

THE MORE THAT VANCE IS FOCUSED ON THE POLICY I DO THINK IT ALSO PUSHES HARRIS TO CONTINUE TO HIT THOSE ISSUES AS WELL.

>> SOME OF THAT ECONOMIC OPTIMISM IS WHAT SHARON BROWN TALKS ABOUT TOO.

IT IS INTERESTING WITH INTERTWINING OF THE ISSUES.

>> DO YOU THINK HAD PRESIDENT BIDEN DROPPED OUT TWO WEEKS EARLIER THAT JD VANCE WOULD HAVE BEEN THE NOMINEE FOR THE VICE PRESIDENT?

ESTABLISHED REPUBLICANS, FOREIGN POLICY HAWKS DO NOT LIKE JD VANCE IS THE CANDIDATE.

THEY DO NOT THINK THAT HE BRINGS ANYTHING NEW TO THE TICKET AND IS BASICALLY TRUMP.

>> THERE ARE ALWAYS PEOPLE IN THE PARTIES AND WANT THEIR FRIENDS OR ASSOCIATES TO BE THE ONE, RATHER THAN SOMEONE ELSE.

I THINK TIME WILL ULTIMATELY TELL.

BUT AGAIN IN EARLY SEPTEMBER WE WILL HAVE A BETTER SENSE AFTER ALL THE CONVENTION BOOMS, IF THERE WERE BOOMS, ALL THE OTHER THINGS SETTLE OUT.

PEOPLE WILL START TO FOCUS.

THAT IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE INTERNAL POLLS AND SEE WHERE THE CAMPAIGNS PUT THEIR MONEY AND TIME.

AGAIN, DO THEY GO THE SUN BELT, DO THEY GO TO TO THE MIDWEST RUSTBELT?

THAT WILL BE THE KEY STRATEGIC CALL.

>> OHIOANS WILL GET TO VOTE ON A PLAN TO CHANGE HOW THE STATE DRAWS ITS STATE LEGISLATION AND CONGRESSIONAL MAPS.

WITH VERIFICATION COMPLETE THE GROUP NAMED CITIZENS NOT POLITICIANS EASILY HAS THE NUMBER OF SIGNATURES IT NEEDS TO GET ON NOVEMBER'S BALLOT.

WILL MOVE FROM ELECTED STATE LEADERS TO AN INDEPENDENT COMMISSION DIVIDED BETWEEN DEMOCRATS , REPUBLICANS, AND INDEPENDENTS.

LOBBYISTS, CONSULTANTS, AND OFFICIALS MAY NOT APPLY.

TO SIT ON THE COMMISSION.

IF VOTERS APPROVE.

THEY MADE THE SIGNATURE LIMITS WITH THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS PRETTY EASILY.

WHAT IS THAT SAY ABOUT THE CAMPAIGN?

>> THEY ARE BANKING ON A POPULAR MESSAGE, BASICALLY PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE POLITICIANS FOR THE MOST PART.

THEY RANK PRETTY LOW.

CITIZENS NOT POLITICIANS AND OF DOES WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO.

SO YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WORKS IN THEIR FAVOR.

I ALSO THINK THAT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THERE IS GOING TO BE A VERY STRONG PUSHBACK FROM REPUBLICANS THAT HAVE POWER AT THE STATE HOUSE.

THEY DON'T WANT TO GIVE IT UP.

THEY WILL COME OUT WITH SOMETHING, I THINK, THAT WILL MUDDIED THE WATER AND CONFUSE VOTERS.

THIS IS ONE OF THE TIME THAT VOTERS REALLY NEED TO GET ENGAGED AND READ AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY ARE VOTING ON.

YOU KNOW, THERE WILL BE A LOT OUT THERE AND YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT FOR YOURSELF.

>> VOTING ON REDISTRICTING NINE TIMES SINCE 1981 AND FOUR TIMES THE PAST 20 YEARS.

IS THIS THE TIME THAT WE SETTLE THIS FIGHT?

>> HOPEFULLY.

I DO AGREE WITH JOE.

I THINK THAT A LOT OF REGULAR PEOPLE THAT ARE HARD-CORE POLITICAL ARE AWARE OF THIS EFFORT AND IT MIGHT BE THE FINAL ATTEMPT AT OUR PRESERVING DEMOCRACY IN OHIO.

WE WILL SEE A LOT OF THE ENTHUSIASM, WE HAVE HAD THE EXPERIENCE OF THE ABORTION BALLOT INITIATIVE TO TRAIN PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT THESE THINGS ARE AND WHY THEY MATTER AND WHY YOU HAVE TO VOTE.

AND ULTIMATELY BORROWING -- BARRING SOME SHENANIGANS FROM THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, IT WILL BE POSSIBLE.

>> YOU WROTE ABOUT THIS THIS WEEK ANDREW, THEY MAY TRY TO BUT TIME IS SHORT.

THEY DON'T TALK TO EACH OTHER.

HOW PLAUSIBLE IS THIS?

>> THE PEOPLE THAT I TALK TO ABOUT THIS IDEA DON'T THINK IT IS VERY LIKELY TO WORK.

THERE IS A DEADLINE COMING UP IN A COUPLE WEEKS, JUST LEADERS ARE NOT REALLY SCHEDULED TO VOTE.

IT IS NOT CLEAR IF THEY WERE TO VOTE IF THIS HAS ENOUGH SUPPORT IN THE HOUSE.

THEY HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE LEGISLATURES AND GET THOSE PEOPLE IN THE STATE TO ACTUALLY CAST THE VOTE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE ON VACATION.

IT IS AN OPEN QUESTION BUT INTERESTING THAT IT IS BEING LOOKED AT TO SHED LIGHT ON THE MIND OF STATE REPUBLICANS.

>> THERE ARE TWO QUESTIONS ON THE BALLOT TERRY, THE ONE THAT GETS THE MOST VOTES WINS.

DOES THE SHOWED THAT THE PELICANS ARE NERVOUS IF THIS PASSES?

>> LET ME PUT A FORK IN THIS ONE, IT IS DONE.

AS ANDREW NOTED YOU CANNOT GET PEOPLE BACK.

THE TIMETABLE IS TOO SHORT.

FOR KEEPING ON THIS GERRYMANDERING ISSUE IS THE QUESTION TO FOLLOW THE MONEY AND LOOK AT THE MESSAGE.

BECAUSE WHERE DOES THE MONEY COME FROM THAT BOTH SIDES ARE SPENDING?

WHO IS ON TV FIRST?

WHO DEFINES THE ISSUE?

RIGHT NOW PEOPLE KNOW KIND OF ABOUT GERRYMANDERING, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF PAST ISSUES, A LOT OF IT WENT DOWN IN FLAMES ONCE PEOPLE DISCOVERED THE DETAILS OF HOW THEY WORK OR DON'T WORK.

SO WE HAVE A LONG WAYS TO GO.

BUT MONEY AND MESSAGE ARE TWO KEY THINGS.

>> IT CAN BE CONFUSING BUT I THINK VOTERS DO UNDERSTAND THAT --IN 1981 ANYWAY.

>> THE OHIO POLICE UNIT IS OUT FOR ENDORSEMENTS FOR 2024.

THEY HAVE ENDORSED SHERIFF BROWN IN THE PAST BUT DECIDED NOT TO ENDORSE HIM.

OR HIS OPPONENTS THIS YEAR.

APPARENTLY SOME MEMBERS ARE UPSET ABOUT A TWEET AFTER A POLICE OFFICER SHOT A 16-YEAR- OLD BLACK GIRL ARMED WITH A KNIFE.

THEY ALSO REFUSED TO ENDORSE DIETER AND WENT WITH STUART.

THEY WERE UPSET WITH HOW DIETER CINCINNATI OFFICER WHO SHOT AN UNARMED LACK MAN IN 2016.

IT ALL RAISES THE QUESTION ABOUT HOW VALUABLE THE ENDORSEMENTS ARE.

ANDREW TOBIAS, AS A GOOD IRISHMAN I CAN HOLD A GRUDGE.

BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE UNION WAS HOLDING A GRUDGE TOO.

A COUPLE CANDIDATES THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE ENDORSED.

>> THE QUESTION IS, DO THESE MATTER?

I DO NOT KNOW THAT THE MEMBERS OF UNIONS THESE DAYS ARE THAT SWAYED BY PEOPLE WHO THEIR LEADERS ENDORSE.

I THINK FOR A DEMOCRAT LIKE SHERIFF BROWN WHO WILL BE ACCUSED OF BEING ANTI-POLICE, THERE IS SORT OF A BROADER DISCUSSION ABOUT LAW AND ORDER.

AND THAT KIND OF THING.

I THINK HAVING A POLICE UNION ENDORSEMENT COULD BE HELPFUL.

I WILL SAY THOUGH TOO BROWN'S CAMPAIGN HAD A AN EFFECTIVE AD THAT SHOULD A REPUBLICAN WITH COUNTY SHERIFF SAYING THAT NOBODY IS TOUGHER ON FENTANYL THAN SHERIFF BROWN, I AM A LIFELONG REPUBLICAN BUT I AM SAYING THAT.

THAT IS A POWERFUL MESSAGE FOR SOMEONE LIKE HIM.

IT IS SPECIFIC THAT HE DID NOT GET THE ENDORSEMENT BUT THAT IT A BIT.

>> WE KNOW UNION MEMBERSHIP HAS DECLINED AND UNION STRENGTH HAS DECLINED.

HOW VALUABLE ARE UNION ENDORSEMENTS NOW FOR ANY CANDIDATE, COMPARED TO HOW THEY WERE IN YEARS PAST?

>> THEY DO NOT BEEN QUITE AS MUCH BUT IT DEPENDS WHAT LEVEL YOU ARE RUNNING.

I THINK FOR SHERIFF BROWN, THAT COULD HELP --WITH SUPREME COURT ONLINE.

I'M SURE THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS AT PLAY.

BUT WHETHER IT IS UNION, BUSINESS, OR F.O.P., IT IS OF IMPORTANCE BUT NOT QUITE WHAT IT USED TO BE.

>> MORGAN, YOU HAVE RUN FOR OFFICE IN THE PAST.

HOW MUCH OF A FACTOR IS IT FOR FOLKS RUNNING FOR OFFICE?

>> I WOULD HAVE WELCOMED ALL WORKER UNION SUPPORT.

AND JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND FOR THE FUTURE.

BUT IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, I THINK IT MATTERS ON WHO IS ENDORSING, DOES IT COME WITH FINANCIAL RESOURCES, AND WHAT ARE THE MEDICAL DYNAMICS?

I THINK IT WOULD HELP WITH A CERTAIN SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION, BUT HE HAS HIS OWN POLITICAL BRAND.

HE HAS BEEN AROUND FOREVER AND RUNNING HIS RACE.

WITH STUART, IT IS INTERESTING THAT SHE WILL BE RUNNING NOW AND IDENTIFY AS A DEMOCRAT BUT POINTED THAT ENDORSEMENT AS SHE TRIES TO CONVINCE THE POPULATION TO GET BEHIND HER.

>> BUT AS FAR AS CANDIDATE FOR SUPREME COURT, ONE THING YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT IS HOW MUCH YOU PLAY UP THE POLICE ENDORSEMENT.

SOME LIKE IN THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY, THEY DO NOT LOOK KINDLY ON PEOPLE THAT ARE POLICE ENDORSED.

SHE HAS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.

>> ESPECIALLY THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE WITH STATEWIDE CANDIDATES, THEY HAVE A PRETTY LOUD VOICE.

>> AND THEY HAVE DEEP POCKETS.

THAT IS THE THING, UNIONS CAN MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE WITH A CANDIDATE.

WHEN THEY GET BEHIND YOU AND HAVE THE NUMBERS, THEIR MEMBERS, THEY HAVE THE MONEY, THEY CAN MAKE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHETHER YOU WIN OR LOSE.

>> HOW MUCH NOW DO MEMBERS FOLLOW THE UNION LEADERSHIP?

>> WE ARE SEEING SOME DYNAMICS PLAY OUT AND BRING BACK TO THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE.

THE FACT THAT WE HAD THE TEAMSTERS, THE PRESIDENT SPEAK AT THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION.

THAT WAS A BIG SHIFT.

HE SAID IN HIS REMARKS HE IS TRYING TO ENGAGE ALL PARTIES.

ESPECIALLY WITH THESE LARGE NATIONAL WORKER UNIONS.

THE MEMBERSHIP IS MIXED ANY LEADERSHIP, DEPENDING ON THE UNION, IS MAYBE TRYING TO REFLECT THAT AND HOW THEY ENGAGE POLITICALLY.

>> IT ALL DEPENDS BECAUSE THE TEACHERS UNION, IT IS NOT UNUSUAL FOR THEM TO WRITE OUT A MILLION-DOLLAR CHECK AS THEY DID IN THE LAST GOVERNOR'S RACE.

AT SOME OF THE OTHER UNIONS, INCLUDING F.O.P., DO NOT HAVE A CHECKBOOK AND CANNOT WRITE AS MUCH MONEY.

THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT VARIABLES.

>> OUR FINAL OFF THE RECORD PARTING SHOTS.

MORGAN HARPER IS UP NEXT.

>> WE MAY NOT KNOW WHAT THE COST OF THINGS IS ANYMORE.

THE PRICES, DYNAMIC PRICING, THE ABILITY TO CHANGE PRICES WITH NEW ALGORITHMS, THE FCC IS LOOKING INTO THIS.

IF YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW MUCH SOMETHING COSTS THAN IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BUDGET.

WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT IF WE EVEN KNOW WHAT THE PRICES ARE.

>> COMPARATIVE SHOPPING.

>> EXACTLY.

>> IT YOUR TV REMOTE INPUT FRESH BATTERIES IN.

YOU WANT TO PRACTICE DURING THE OLYMPICS DOING MUTE, SWITCHING CHANNELS.

THE GOOD NEWS IN OHIO, WE WILL NOT HAVE MANY PRESIDENTIAL ADS BUT THE SEWER SYSTEM AND THE SENATE RACE AND THE GERRYMANDERING BATTLES, THE TV CHANNELS ARE GOING TO BE FLOODED WITH ADS AND THEY WILL NOT BE POSITIVE PUFF PIECES.

>> I AM EXCITED THAT LeBRON JAMES IS REPRESENTING OHIO AND CARING THE FLAG IN THE OPENING CEREMONY.

DURING THE OPENING CEREMONY TODAY.

HE IS THE ONLY SECOND OHIOAN TO DO IT AND THE LAST WAS SCOTT HAMILTON IN 1980.

IT IS RAREFIED.

>> INTERESTING.

>> I WILL BE WATCHING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH DEBATES.

IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE LOST DEBATES WHERE THE MODERATORS ARE ABLE TO FACT CHECK AND ABLE TO ACTUALLY HAVE A REAL DEBATE.

I AM WONDERING IF WE WILL HAVE WILL IT BE ONE OF THESE FLUFFY LITTLE FORUM THINGS?

>> IF YOU NEED A DRINK, AFTER THE PAST MONTH, WE HAVE THE PERFECT EVENT FOR YOU.

POLITICS IN A PINT RETURNS IN A FEW WEEKS AND WE WILL HOST ANOTHER EDITION OF OUR POPULAR EVENT THAT COMBINES POLITICS AND CRAFT BEER.

PLEASE JOIN US AUGUST 15th AT SEVEN SONS BREWING ON NORTH FOURTH STREET.

WITH A PANEL OF EXPERTS THAT WILL DISCUSS THE INCREDIBLE CAMPAIGN, GO TO WOSU.ORG TO REGISTER.

WATCH US ANY TIME ON OUR WEBSITE, WOSU.ORG, THE PBS VIDEO APP, AND YOU TOO.

FOR THE PANELISTS I AM MIKE THOMPSON.

HAVE A GOOD WEEK.