Postcards from the Great Divide
Whatever Happened to Wisconsin Nice?
Episode 2 | 11m 14sVideo has Closed Captions
Two ex-legislators examine the ideological splits causing political strife in Wisconsin.
Once the poster child for bipartisan politics, Wisconsin has become an ideological battleground in recent years. What happened to the middle? Wandering around the state to find out are two former state senators--one a Republican, one a Democrat. Visiting a gun show, an anti-Trump protest, and a conservative talk radio gathering, they look for insight into the state’s political future.
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Postcards from the Great Divide
Whatever Happened to Wisconsin Nice?
Episode 2 | 11m 14sVideo has Closed Captions
Once the poster child for bipartisan politics, Wisconsin has become an ideological battleground in recent years. What happened to the middle? Wandering around the state to find out are two former state senators--one a Republican, one a Democrat. Visiting a gun show, an anti-Trump protest, and a conservative talk radio gathering, they look for insight into the state’s political future.
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorshipTim Cullen: Hi, welcome to the state Senate.
My name is Tim Cullen, and I was a state senator here two different times.
This is State Senator Dale Schultz from Richland Center.
Welcome, you all.
This is a beautiful chamber.
It's your chamber, and we just get a chance to-- you think about it, to work in a beautiful place like this was a great honor.
Dale Schultz: I'm a Republican, and Tim is a Democrat.
Tim Cullen: Well, I was a Senate majority leader, and I had the authority to pretty much run the place the way I wanted to, but I was always looking for Republican votes on bills.
Dale Schultz: Now these days, you see a lot of fighting on TV about politics.
Crowd: We want Trump!
We want trump!
Crowd: Shame!
Shame!
Shame!
Dale Schultz: The two of us thought if we went around the state and talked to people and showed people how you could get things done together, it might just catch on.
Dale Schultz: I feel comfortable saying I'm a Republican because I draw my inspiration from real Republican leaders: Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and then of course Ronald Reagan.
He's a guy whose temperament, whose vision I admired.
Radio Host: Welcome back to the Devil's Advocates Radio Show.
I want to find out is there such a thing as a post-partisan Wisconsin.
Can Dems and Republicans and dogs and cats and Libertarians all get along?
I want to hear from you next.
Sir, I always thought we were Midwest nice here, but that seems to have changed.
Gov.
Scott Walker: This morning we are introducing the budget repair bill, making fundamental reform changes in our wage and benefit structure, in our entitlement structure.
Crowd: [chanting indistinctly] Rush Limbaugh: Scott Walker, Governor of Wisconsin, has proposed cutting benefits for government employees, and more importantly, curbing the power that unions have to strangle the State of Wisconsin with excessive financial demands in the future.
Crowd: Kill the bill!
Kill the bill!
News Anchor #1: There's a war brewing, folks.
Newly-elected Republican governor Scott Walker is on a mission to destroy collective bargaining rights for all of Wisconsin's public employees.
Crowd: Kill the bill!
News Anchor: I understand you feel sort of on an island by yourself right now because you are a Republican, but you're going against the grain.
You actually want to compromise.
Crowd: Shame!
Shame!
Shame!
Shame!
Shame!
Shame!
Shame!
Dale Schultz: I was shocked and taken by surprise.
I was a participant in the campaign, and I don't remember this issue ever being discussed or talked about.
Radio Host: Is it fair to say that the policies of Scott Walker have changed the trajectory of how we deal with our neighbors here in the state of Wisconsin?
Tim Cullen: Look at the 12 governors that preceded Governor Walker, from Walter Kohler, Jr. in 1950 all the way to Jim Doyle in 2010.
Tim Cullen: Six Republicans, six Democrats.
Regardless of party, they all governed somewhere near the center, all of them.
Going back 100 years, we've never had one party in control of the government following the census, until 2011.
You can go all the way back to 1900.
Charlie Sykes: I know where you're coming from on all of this, but you look back at this year, you have right-to-work legislation, you have this historic repeal of prevailing wage, university tenure taken out of the statutes, a statewide expansion of school choice.
Is there any governor in the country who's had a stronger or broader record of Conservative reform than Scott Walker?
This guy has been looked at from every angle possible, he's united the Republican party and the state.
I think there probably isn't a better governor that -- is he perfect?
No -- Charlie Sykes: Well, here's the thing.
I...
The man who makes the engine go, your host, Charlie Sykes!
[applause, cheering] I really come here to listen to Charlie so I can get the real story.
Male Interviewer: A-ha.
Dale Schultz: Talk radio bludgeons people, and people get polarized.
We shouldn't be surprised when the middle disappears.
-You like politics?
-Yeah?
Is there an issue that really trips your trigger that you're interested in?
Boy #1: Getting rid of the IRS.
Dale Schultz: Think you're going to run for office someday?
Boy: Maybe.
Father: No.
Dale Schultz: He hasn't even poked your heart and told you that he's going to be a Democrat.
[applause] Host: Welcome back to Insight 2016.
Joining me now onstage, he needs no introduction, Milwaukee County Sheriff, David Clarke, Jr. [applause, cheering] Sheriff Clarke: Thanks a lot.
[applause, cheering] Sher.
Clarke: The American left, these anarchists, they know that their day is coming.
This is the end of the Barack Obama Administration, who has cleared the pathway for them to come up out of the sewers, and it's all-out war for them.
There's no doubt about that.
But we have to be willing to push back.
I'm from the school that says, if a fight's inevitable, hit first and hit hard.
Male Host: Sheriff Clarke, thanks so much for joining me.
I appreciate it very much.
Tim Cullen: I think an enormous number of voters are just astounded at what's happened in Wisconsin.
They can't believe it.
It's not the Wisconsin they've known for the previous 60 years.
Dale Schultz: There's been a real effort to drive this state to the right, and it's been phenomenally successful.
Obviously, hunting and firearms in Wisconsin are major issues every election.
You know I'm an NRA member.
I have been for 35 years.
Just personally, there's a lot of people out there that shouldn't be voting.
[laughs] That's my personal opinion, but I don t know.
I don't know what the NRA's opinion is.
I'm a member of the NRA.
Dale Schultz: OK, so am I.
But I take great pleasure in voting the opposite of what they tell me because they are so politicized.
Every time a Democrat is up for election, and it doesn't matter at what level, they're going to take your guns away.
We all own guns.
I've got a safe full of guns.
So it's not going to happen.
My biggest concern right now is this lack of compromise and the total unwillingness for the outlying sides to even have a discussion.
Crowd: I believe that we will win!
I believe that we will win!
I believe that we will win!
I believe that we will win!
I believe that we will win!
I believe that we will win!
Student #1: Scott Walker's got me into organizing because of all the devastating cuts to our education.
I went to Milwaukee Public Schools.
I battled through 50 people in a classroom, sharing books, and now I'm seeing our public university here being defunded.
And with tuition hikes, it mean fewer people of color coming to our schools.
Because as we know, the middle class is majority white.
Student #2: Did you know that less than 1/3 of Black males graduate from UWM within six years?
Dale Schultz: Sadly, I did know that.
Are you a little bit hopeful?
Student #2: I think that we can still achieve social justice through peace.
Might not happen today or tomorrow.
Dale Schultz: We have a disconnect between what the people want and what the politicians are doing.
People are upset.
They don't feel like they're being represented, they don't feel like the process and the people populating it are there to serve them.
Eric Von: Those of you who are feeling apathetic about politics, we'll find out why, and we'll get back to this and more on the Eric Von Show on 860WNOV The Voice.
Dale Schultz: What happened to the Wisconsin where people worked together, got along?
Eric Von: When America was great.
Dale Schultz: When America was great, yeah.
We're interested why they feel the way they do in a time when so many people feel so disaffected.
Eric Von: Apathy is the word of the day.
But let me grab a couple calls here.
444-5250 is our number.
Craig, good morning, welcome.
Craig Stingley: Good morning, Eric.
Eric Von: Hey buddy, how are you doing?
Craig Stingley: I just called primarily because I think the criminal justice system is biased, we know, and it doesn't hold people accountable.
I haven't heard any candidate really address what happened with Trayvon Martin and what happened with my son.
Dale Schultz: Craig?
Craig Stingley: Yeah.
Dale Schultz: I'm Dale Schultz.
I'm the guy you met on the radio the other day.
Craig: Pleasure to meet you.
Yeah, this is Corey here.
So this is a picture that we had on his program for his funeral.
A young African-American child can be a 4.0 student and 16 years old and then he goes into a store with the intention of shoplifting some alcohol, right?
And this child makes the right choice and gives him his merchandise back and then gets scared and grabs his debit card and tries to run out of the store, and three adults attack him and choke him to death.
As a father, you don't know how you're going to respond when you hear that, that that's what happened to your child.
This is the Constitution that Corey had in his pocket the day he was choked to death.
Where in the system is a person supposed to find justice?
Where is it?
And where's the leadership?
Dale Schultz: I hope and pray, before this final election, that you will hear something that gives you comfort and hope again.
Craig Stingley: Pleasure.
Dale Schultz: For 32 years, every single day I had an opportunity for leadership.
If I had a regret in office, I wish I'd stood up and spoke up more forcefully sooner, because that's what people are mad about.
They're mad about people not doing what needs to be done and showing leadership.
Our task is to find a way to solve these problems together, and we need each other.
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