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Robert F Kennedy Jr has a storied history politically, environmentally and controversially.

RFK Jr is an environmental lawyer, a bestselling author, and was once a media darling with his loud and credible voice when talking about environmental science.

Robert Kennedy Jr helped found the nonprofit environmental group Waterkeeper Alliance.

He served as assistant D.A.

of New York City, senior attorney for the NRDC, and has taught environmental law.

His environmental activism and legal prowess helped win precedent setting cases against companies like Monsanto, ultimately winning great praise from the media.

Today, Robert is a founder and chair of his nonprofit Children's Health Defense.

Although things are a bit different for him these days where the media and social media are concerned.

Safe to say he's not their media darling anymore.

Some in the media have labeled his nonprofit nothing more than a radical activist group spewing anti-vaccine propaganda, insisting Children's Health, defense and their publication of defender are a main source of misinformation on vaccines.

And now, in this case, the Covid vaccine, as he speaks out against this.

Basically, Robert has been canceled, censored and silenced.

Well, not the case here.

Sustaining us, as you know, invites liberals and conservatives of far left, the far right, environmentalists and business interests, scientists and yes, also those who question the science.

Really anyone and everyone to discuss vital issues affecting us all.

And Robert F Kennedy Jr is no different.

And that is where we begin our broadcast.

Robert F Kennedy Jr.

Thank you so very much for being here.

Thanks for having me, David.

So let's begin with Covid, the elephant in the room and the vaccine.

Robert, why are you so vehemently opposed to the Covid vaccines and boosters?

And then secondly, what is the scientific evidence that you base your data on?

Well, you know, first of all, I'm not anti-vaccine.

If somebody shows me a vaccine that, that works and that is science that is tested the way that we were supposed to test other medicines.

and, and, and, you know, what you would want to do is have all the studies and look at all cause mortality, you know, all cause injuries.

Oh, you okay you vaccinated group or group and a group that gets a Zeebo and then you watch them for a period of time, usually 5 or 6 years, and see if the vaccinated cohort is healthier and, and it has a better mortality.

And the unvaccinated cohort.

And unfortunately, none of the vaccines that are currently approved or children have any two doses of the 16 vaccines have ever been tested like that in three clinical trials, vaccines are actually exempt.

safety data from pre licensing safety testing.

It's the only the only medicine that has that exemption.

And there is work reasons for that.

you know maybe good reasons.

But it doesn't make any sense to mandate products or to give products widely to 76 million American children without knowing, without having a clear idea, you know, what the risk is.

And without having prove that the intervention will avert more injuries and deaths, and it will cause with the Covid vaccine, the only really, good information we have is from Pfizer's clinical trials.

Pfizer is the only one of the companies that has a licensed vaccine.

So it's the only one that's been required to make public at least some of its scientific data.

And it had to do that when it applied for the license to FDA.

And those records are public.

So we know that those records, David, by the way, do know are not the complete records.

If you really want to understand what happened with that vaccine and whether there was widespread cheating, which we have good reason to suspect, you need to look at the individual and, of course, de-identified medical records of the people who participated.

Our community has sued Pfizer to get those records of Pfizer and have the.

Yeah.

And Tony Vargas said, you know, we're going through this process in a rush.

Therefore we're going to be completely transparent.

when it came time for us to actually look at those records, they went to court of the FDA and Pfizer to block us.

And they told the federal judge, we do not want to release these records to the public for 75 years.

So that is something that should cause suspicion.

Why they want nobody to see those records for 75 years, a PA promised transparency.

That means transparency today, not in record.

It's been a century.

The records we do have raised a lot of really big red flags.

And let me tell you, the principal and Pfizer tested 22,000 people by giving them the vaccine.

And another 22,000 who were in placebo group.

The task force was asked for five years.

Would you need it?

Because a lot of the injuries that come from vaccination and other medications, as well as long incubation periods and long died by Gnostic arise, and so you will not see them in, you know, six months or eight months or even two years.

but and Tony Fauci promised us that this would be a five year study.

So we asked the question, why did you terminate the study after two months?

After two months, they gave the vaccine to the placebo group.

So that means we only have two months of data and we will never be able to see a long term differential and injury.

That is science, scientific falsification.

Anybody who cares about science, who cares about public health, well will look at that act and say, something is really wrong here.

Something is really screwy.

You do not.

And a long term study and two months the the other thing that probably is at least as bad is the efficacy portion.

Here's what they found.

Afterwards.

They looked at the group for six months before they looked at both groups for six months before they applied for the license.

And over that six month period, it was one Covid, as in the vaccine group, and that were two of the 22,000 people in that group.

Only one person died of Covid in the placebo group, they were 22,000 people and two people died of Covid.

That allowed Pfizer to help the public and the regulatory agencies.

our vaccine, and this is what they said is 100% effective because do is 100% of one.

And when most Americans hear the vaccine is 100% effective, which Mr. Burt said, in which Johnny Fauci said what they were believing is that means if I take this vaccine, I 100% will not die from Covid as, what it meant, what it really meant, and what we should have been told is they have to have 22,000 vaccines to avert one Covid death.

Now, if you're going to give 22,000 vaccines, David, you have hurt one Covid death.

You better make sure that the vaccine is not killing anybody, because that vaccine kills one person in that 22,000, it's canceled out, 100% of the claim benefits for the vaccine and Pfizer's own tests.

Their own publications show that which they submitted to FDA.

You know that in the in the vaccine group.

Oh, but that six month period, 17 people died from all causes in the Or 21 people died in the vaccine group vaccinated group of 22,000 people, 21 people died of all causes over the next six months in the placebo group, only 70 died.

What that means is if you take the vaccine, you're 21% more likely to die over the next six months.

What were they dying of?

Where those excess come from?

Well, it turns out there were five deaths from cardiac arrest in the vaccine group and only one death from cardiac arrest in the placebo group.

What?

That means you.

Oh, Pfizer study is that if you take the vaccine, you're 500% more likely to die of a by cardiac arrest over the next six months.

And if you do not, what it also means is that for every death they or averting from Covid, they are killing four people from cardiac arrest.

That's not a good outcome.

Now what you can say is he and this is what Harvey raised from Yale, and that is you can't make any presumptions from what Pfizer did because the group was too small.

It were too few infected people.

They shouldn't have had just 44,000 people.

They should have been 440.

Of course, people, if you really wanted to do a study.

So any of the outcomes of this study are are irrelevant and have no value.

But the problem is Pfizer got its license based upon those 22,000 people.

So the other presumptions that arise from that small clinical trial, we also have to make same time and one and what that that the conclusion then should be is if you take the vaccine, you're more likely to die over the next six months.

What we've seen is this huge rise that the insurance companies are now documenting or documented in theirs, that are documented in mortality and morbidity data.

It's published weekly by CDC, is we're seeing a huge, huge rise in unexplained deaths and excess deaths.

2020 2021 has greater excess deaths and 2020 during the height of the pandemic, nobody nobody's been able to explain why.

And let me jump in here because I hear you.

In fact, I hear you loudly and clearly.

And yeah, let me counter that argument, Robert, as you know, with all of what you're saying, billions of people all over the world have gotten the Covid vaccine.

What is a stat here in the US?

Something like well over 200 million folks now.

And look, most of these folks are okay now, also hear me out on this with any vaccine, with any medication, as you know, to be fair, there are going to be reports of side effects, adverse effects like even aspirin or cold medicine, the most benign over-the-counter meds, you name it, there's a side effect and even rare cases.

There could be folks that are getting seriously ill with these meds.

Yet it does seem the conventional wisdom in these meds, these vaccines, Robert, in this case, the Covid vaccine, what you're talking about does more good than harm.

What do you say to that?

I'd like to see data that shows that I don't know where you're getting that data.

I think there may be a presumption that because we got rid of because Covid has become less deadly in our country, that it's because of the vaccines.

there's no proof of that.

In fact, if you look at nation by nation, the countries that are heaviest vaccinated have had the highest death rates, compared to countries that are unvaccinated.

And let me give you an example.

Nigeria has a 1.3% vaccine vaccinated, vaccinated rate, compared to about 80% in our country, between 70 and 80%, depending on what data that is fully vaccinated.

and in our country, we had the highest body count on earth.

We we have a death rate from Covid in our country.

We have 3000 people per million population.

Nigeria, has a death rate of 14 people per million population.

So 1/200 a death rate in our country.

If you look at another example, compare Cuba, which has an 87% vaccination rate, a population of 11 million people to the nearby island of Haiti and nation of Haiti, which also has 11 million population.

It has essentially a 1% vaccination rate.

Cuba had ten times the Covid as of Haiti.

If you look at Africa as a whole, with the vaccination rates are very low.

Yeah, average death rate.

And in those country is is about 180.

That's 300 per million population.

So less than one 10th of March.

There are two states in in India, Uttar Pradesh which has a population comparable to the United States.

It has about 230 million people.

They ended their vaccinate.

They ended their pandemic overnight by giving hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin to their whole population.

The nearby province of Kerala used the protocols that were dictated by Tony Fuji, and they had death rates that were similar to the United States.

So wherever you go in the world, you can do this again and again and again in nations with lower vaccination rates and that focus more on early treatment, particularly with ivermectin.

Hydroxychloroquine did very, very well in our country, which did, you know, the protocol, the vaccine only vaccination works protocol and try to prevent the public from accessing ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine and other early treatments.

It horrendously you know, those are the data that we know about.

And it doesn't mean that the vaccines don't work.

But I'm saying, again, these are correlations.

They're not proof of causation.

We don't know how the vaccines got in the US, but the reason we don't know about it is because the studies, the proper studies have not been done.

And they and I would say to you is they deliberately have not been done.

Okay, let me jump in.

Let me jump in, ask the question.

That's a very, vital point.

And I may be framing the question wrong.

I apologize.

Are you claiming this is kind of conspiracy?

hear me out on this.

There are a lot of folks involved with the vaccine now in the distribution.

Let's say, as you know, Robert, the government, the the Biden administration, political officials, the FDA, the CDC, the NIH, the W.H.O.. Then there's our own more personalized health care system, right?

The doctors we see, the nurses who are convincing us to get the vaccine.

They've got the pharmaceutical industry.

Also, there's the media industry, as it were, you know, in one of your books, a letter to liberals, really a good read.

I believe you claim that there's this sort of loyal reporting from journalists and reporters.

You know, they're just asking no questions of fortune, of the science.

they're sort of directing this narrative of promoting the vaccine and the Fauci Covid science, as it were.

So I guess the question is, are you making the choice, Robert, that all these industry, so to speak, are knowingly lying to the lying to the public because I guess that is quite an accusation.

Robert.

and what I would say to you is the answer.

That is, no, but it's complicated.

And you talk about conspiracy theories at the very beginning of the pandemic, in the first month, by the end of February, before the pandemic was even declared, the BBC had gathered all of the major news media together to create an organization called the Trusted News Initiative that has the Washington Post and Reuters and ABC, CBS, CNN, all of the major media outlets signed on to it, and they all agreed to basically promote government orthodoxies.

So and to censor anything that challenged government health directives.

So for the first time in history, you know, throughout history, the role of the press in liberal democracy is has been to do A to B to exercise a relentless skepticism and ridicule of power and particularly of governmental power, to disbelieve anything the government says.

The challenge it that's the role of the press in a democracy.

And and yet now the the presence left wherein instead of speaking truth to power, it is speaking, you know, it's speaking untruth.

But from the powerful to crushed dissent of anybody who, you know, who wants to challenge government power.

So I think the the media has allowed itself to become an instrument of oppression by the government, an instrument of censorship by the government.

It's exactly the inverse, the opposite of the role that the media has always played in democracy.

And I'm glad you're speaking about this.

there is a silencing, a censoring.

You've been silenced, censored.

You've been canceled.

Robert, I want to be clear for our audience here, anybody who is a fan of sustaining us knows the Nazar reporting style.

We have a point.

We have a counterpoint.

We have an argument.

We have a counter argument.

We bring we bring all sides on.

So for our viewers, if you're wondering, well, why is Robert F Kennedy Junior on this program and there are no other counter arguments?

Let me explain.

I did contact various agencies.

This was initially going to potentially be a one hour broadcast, and we were going to have that point.

Counterpoint I was told by medical scientists that they are not going to justify or dignify you.

Robert F Kennedy Jr is being part of this program, and even in conversation, it seems to me we do need civic engagement, healthy dialog, honest discussion, really listening.

Whether you agree with an RFK junior or you disagree, Robert, whether you're right or you're wrong, I'm not a judge.

I'm not a jury.

I can't say yet.

On the other hand, Robert, to defend them, many of these folks who did not want to be a part of this program, say your personal crusade, so to speak, is just sort of propaganda.

And in actuality, it's causing more harm to millions of people who are still deciding whether to get the Covid vaccine or not.

Robert, what do you say to that.

Or what the criticism that they say is that I'm promoting misinformation and I'm saying things that aren't true.

So, what I would say to that adage, show me one thing that I've said that's not true.

You know, that's what I'd like to say.

I actually like to see an example of something I've ever said on my Instagram, on the children's health events in my book, it's not true.

My book has 2200 footnotes.

You know, I am an expert on vaccines.

I'm not a doctor, but I can claim expertise because I have three bestselling books on vaccines and, that have.

So, you know, one of my books sold a million copies.

It's the bestselling book of 2021 or 2022.

It's the best selling book.

So, you know, I, I, I've earned the right to debate people.

Now, what I would say to the public is you should not believe anything I say.

You should question everything I say, and you should tell me where I'm wrong.

And I can commit to you as if you show me that I'm wrong.

Show me a peer reviewed studies.

Show me data.

I will admit I'm wrong immediately.

I don't want to be supporting something that's factually incorrect.

And we have probably on the defender, which is our newsletter.

We probably have some the most rigorous fact checking operation in our country.

But, you know, it doesn't mean we won't make mistakes.

We do occasionally make mistakes, but when we do, we immediately post them.

But you will not see that in the mainstream media.

I you know, I can tell you that I can watch virtually any episode of Anderson Cooper show this year for the last 24 months or two years, and I can find factual inaccuracies on him, and I can point them to you.

Now, why won't people debate me?

Nobody has been willing to debate not only last two years, but for many, many years.

And in fact, I've had many people agree to debate me.

And then when I got to the debate, they didn't show up.

And I'll tell you one of the most egregious examples that I had two years ago when the Connecticut state legislature was debating the, the abolishment of religious exemptions, the vaccination, the present senator was a Democrat, asked me to come and debate.

He was, he was against me on this.

He wanted me to debate.

I said, fine, I'll fly from California to Connecticut.

I'll debate anybody.

And he said, but why don't you debate do virologist from Yale?

I said, fine.

Then he came back and he said, we're going to make it for virologist from Yale against you.

And I said, fine.

And he said, fine.

Virologist from Yale against you.

I said, fine.

And he said, each one of them gets eight minutes and you only get eight minutes.

And I said, I can do it.

That's all I need.

And, and so I flew across the country.

I took the red eye to Hartford, I got the state house, and when I got there, it was my chair and five empty chairs in front of me.

Oh, somebody had told those doctors presumably do not debate him.

And I think, you know, I can't tell you exactly what happened, but I can tell you it is a phenomenon because I have people agree to debate me all the time.

And then before they show up, they're gone.

And it seems to me that somebody, you know, that it that people, people in the medical cartel do not want that to happen.

You know, the public should have themselves a problem because, you know, if people continually say that I'm passing this information and show me something I got wrong, show me one fact that I got wrong.

You show me one.

You can't, you know.

But you may be able to do it.

And if you do, I'm going to admit it.

But you're not going to find a lot of them.

I have two points.

I want to get back to something you mentioned in the interview.

He said one.

Thing, please.

We have a medical advisory board with 320 PhD scientists and, M.D.

physicians.

We had the former chair of the Actual Toxicity Program, which is part of NIH.

On that board.

We had Luke Hunt and er, Nobel Prize winner who won a, you know, Nobel Prize for discovering the HIV virus.

and, and so and none of these people would associate with me if I was actually passing misinformation.

The reason they stay with me is because they know we are absolutely rigorous in our fact checking.

We have doctors and numerous scientists on the staff, and that's what they do.

And a lot of times I want to say something that I know is true, and they say it's too close to the border.

You can't say it.

you know, I just wanted it.

We we were really take fact-checking seriously.

We know that if we do make a mistake, it's going to be international headlines.

And so we're very, very careful about it.

And I you know, I've had that book that my book on Tony Ouchy the real Tonic vouch.

It has been the bestseller for the year, for a year.

It it didn't receive a single reveal in the mainstream media is totally blacklists of the mainstream.

It's word of mouth.

It wasn't allowed on any TV show to talk about it.

Word of mouth.

It became a bestseller.

But, you know, there's a lot of people from the other side, from the vaccine industry, and we're reading that book looking for any mistake I made.

And in the year that it's been out, not a single mistake has been found in that book.

I'm sure there is one in the book is, you know, 250,000 words.

There's got to be a mistake.

And so far we did a good enough job on fact check.

Nobody's been able to come up.

It's one thank you Robert F Kennedy Jr for your interview.

And that was part one of our two part interview with Robert F Kennedy Jr talking about Covid, vaccines and public health.

In the next couple of months.

We bring you part two of this special report.

And again, for the record, I contacted various agencies to get the opposing argument of RFK Jr.

They declined our request.

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