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EXCERPT #2 FROM THE PSYCHIATRIC INTERVIEW


DR. RESNICK: LET ME ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT TRIAL PROCEDURE NOW. I'M THROUGH WITH THE OTHER AREA FOR NOW. FIRST OF ALL, DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'VE BEEN CHARGED WITH?

JOHN SALVI: Okay.


DR. RESNICK: THIS IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT AREA. DO YOU KNOW WHAT CRIMES YOU'VE BEEN CHARGED WITH?

JOHN SALVI: Yes, I've been informed.


DR. RESNICK: WHAT ARE THE CHARGES?

JOHN SALVI: I have them written down somewhere. I don't wish to get into that. And I'm stating that right now. So, please don't keep up on it.


DR. RESNICK: WE NEED TO, MR. SALVI.

JOHN SALVI: No, we don't need to do anything.


DR. RESNICK: WE DO.

JOHN SALVI: No.


DR. RESNICK: JUST GO THROUGH THIS PERIOD OF TRIAL PROCEDURE WITH ME AND THEN WE'LL--

JOHN SALVI: Do you think I'm simple?


DR. RESNICK: NO. NO, I THINK THAT YOU'RE BRIGHT. AND I THINK YOU'RE DETERMINED. BUT, THE QUESTION HERE IS WORKING WITH YOUR ATTORNEYS TO LOOK AT SOME ISSUES WHICH YOU HAVE NOT BEEN SO WILLING TO DISCUSS. SO, MOVE WITH ME INTO THIS AREA. JUST TELL ME WHAT ARE THE THINGS YOU'VE BEEN CHARGED WITH. THAT'S NOT A TOUGH QUESTION. LET'S JUST GO THROUGH THIS.


JOHN SALVI: Then I'm going to decline this interview within the next few minutes if you keep up on questions on I don't wish to ask. That's rude. I mean if I'm--


DR. RESNICK: LET ME TRY ANOTHER AREA. DO YOU BELIEVE YOU'LL BE ABLE TO GET A FAIR TRIAL?

JOHN SALVI: Do I think I'll get a fair trial? Yes, I'm sure I would.


DR. RESNICK: DO YOU TRUST YOUR DEFENSE ATTORNEYS?

JOHN SALVI: Yes. I have a lot of faith in Mrs. Bassel and Mr. Carney.


DR. RESNICK: WHAT IS THE PROSECUTOR'S JOB IN THE COURT ROOM? WHAT IS HE GOING TO TRY AND DO WHEN YOU'RE ON TRIAL?

JOHN SALVI: What is he going to .. (inaudible) on trial? Well, you are technically part of this defense.


DR. RESNICK: YES, THAT'S CORRECT. AND A CONSULTANT TO YOUR DEFENSE ATTORNEYS.

JOHN SALVI: Right.


DR. RESNICK: BUT, I'M ASKING WHAT WILL THE ROLE OF THE PROSECUTOR BE IN YOUR TRIAL?

JOHN SALVI: What would the role of the prosecutor be in this trial? Of the prosecutor?


DR. RESNICK: YEAH, WHAT'S HE GOING TO TRY AND ACCOMPLISH AT THE TRIAL?

JOHN SALVI: A conviction.


DR. RESNICK: OKAY, GOOD. AND WHAT ARE THE POSSIBLE PENALTIES THAT YOU'RE FACING?

JOHN SALVI: That's not good. You keep up on different angles on the same question. I told you, I didn't want to get into it. It's not something I feel like thinking about right now.


DR. RESNICK: LET ME UNDERSTAND, MR. SALVI, YOUR REASONS FOR NOT WANTING TO THINK ABOUT THOSE THINGS.

JOHN SALVI: No, You're not getting on to the same question. The reasons, not good. Same question. I don't wish to-- I told you once. Are you going to keep at every little angle, as if ... I'm not going to know? And I want you to think about something here. You can attack me from several different angles. But I mean like, I'm going to know.


DR. RESNICK: WELL, IT'S DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF IT. IT'S DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE TRIAL.

JOHN SALVI: Yeah. Right. If I say something, okay, in this interview, I mean it. Not to say that you couldn't get me to -- how would you say this? I'm telling you what I want to tell you.


DR. RESNICK: EXACTLY. EXACTLY. AND I WANT TO HEAR SOME OF THAT.

JOHN SALVI: I'm telling you about how I feel.


DR. RESNICK: RIGHT. BUT YOU SEE--

JOHN SALVI: Now, I don't like it when we turn this into some sort of interrogation. That's not what this is supposed to be. If you're on my side, you're working for me.


DR. RESNICK: WELL, I AM ON YOUR SIDE.

JOHN SALVI: Yes. You're part of the defense.


DR. RESNICK: I AM WORKING FOR YOUR ATTORNEYS, AND--

JOHN SALVI: Working for my attorneys. You're working for me.


DR. RESNICK: IN A SENSE, THAT'S TRUE.

JOHN SALVI: No. You're working for me. If you're a part of the defense, you're working for me.


DR. RESNICK: IN A SENSE, THAT'S TRUE.

JOHN SALVI: No. You're working for me.


DR. RESNICK: YES.

JOHN SALVI: You're hired on by the state, to serve me.


DR. RESNICK: YES. ULTIMATELY, THAT'S TRUE.

JOHN SALVI: As my defense.


DR. RESNICK: THAT'S TRUE.

JOHN SALVI: Nothing else should interfere. Nothing else should be any part of it.


DR. RESNICK: RIGHT. BUT I--

JOHN SALVI: Right?


DR. RESNICK: RIGHT, BUT SEE, YOU--

JOHN SALVI: What is this cloud that there's like two different groups of defense?


DR. RESNICK: NO, THERE'S NOT TWO DIFFERENT GROUPS.

JOHN SALVI: Exactly.


DR. RESNICK: NO. I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT. BUT I'M TRYING TO DO WHAT YOUR ATTORNEYS WOULD LIKE, WHICH IS TO BRING OUT CERTAIN INFORMATION WHICH MAY BE HELPFUL IN THE TRIAL AND THEIR PLANNING OF LEGAL STRATEGY. AND THAT'S WHY I'M GOING OVER THESE QUESTIONS. AND YOU TRUST YOUR ATTORNEYS. THEY--

JOHN SALVI: Do I trust-- I already told you that. Are you going to ask me that again?


DR. RESNICK: NO, NO. IT WASN'T A QUESTION. IT WAS A BEGINNING OF A SENTENCE. I SAID, YOU TRUST YOUR ATTORNEYS. THEY BROUGHT ME HERE. SO IN THAT SENSE, I'D APPRECIATE YOUR COOPERATION, WORKING WITH THEM. IF YOU THOUGHT YOUR ATTORNEYS DIDN'T HAVE YOUR BEST INTERESTS AT HEART OR WERE WORKING AGAINST YOU, THEN I CAN SEE WHY YOU WOULD BE MORE RELUCTANT TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS. BUT IN THAT SENSE --

JOHN SALVI: You know, it's the way you're going about this. It's as though you're not on my side, and I don't like it.


DR. RESNICK: REALLY? BECAUSE I CONSIDER MYSELF ON YOUR SIDE.

JOHN SALVI: It's the way you're asking the question. If you were working for me and you were employed by me, and I said-- mentioned that, you know, out of politeness, I don't wish you to ask me a certain question, and you kept up on it, that wouldn't be good for me. It would aggravate me. It's not something I would want-- do to you.

DR. RESNICK: WELL, OKAY. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, SOMETIMES YOU'LL HAVE AN ATTORNEY IN A GIVEN CASE, WHO WILL ASK YOU TOUGH QUESTIONS, WHICH MIGHT BE PAINFUL OR AWKWARD OR HUMILIATING. BUT THE ATTORNEY SAYS, "LOOK, I NEED TO KNOW THIS INFORMATION TO REPRESENT YOU IN COURT." AND SO IF YOU LET THE DEFENDANT CALL EVERY SHOT, IT TIES THE ATTORNEY'S HANDS IN TRYING TO DO AN EFFECTIVE JOB. WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO HERE IS, EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY NOT SEE THE RELEVANCE OF SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS --

JOHN SALVI: There's one problem in the Catholic church that has always puzzled me. I don't feel that we're dealing with a group of people who are entirely all there. I mean, rationally, anyone who accepts the thought of eternal punishment has to be someone who's decently in balance(?). I don't believe that Jesus did mention eternal punishment. I think, somewhere along the lines, the scriptures got a little bit altered. I think he mentioned along the lines of: everyone will pay a certain price, according to what they've done or haven't done. Sometimes it's worse if you haven't done something. That's what the Catholic people don't understand. Everything in the Catholic-- it's like talking to a monkey. You say that you did something. "Slap. Now apologize. Go to confession." What about saying, "slap, slap," because you didn't do something you should have? If you don't help out the priest, then slap, slap. There's a reason. You don't understand how awful that is, how evil it is to take power away from priests. That's an apostle. Not to say that all of them are completely balanced or are really good apostles. That's an apostle. You don't take power away from him.


DR. RESNICK: I WANT TO GO INTO ANOTHER --

JOHN SALVI: If you do, you're foolish. You shouldn't go to church. That way, everyone in the church should know ... (inaudible).


DR. RESNICK: OKAY, MR. SALVI. I WANT TO MOVE ON TO AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT AREA NOW. I'M NOT GOING TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TRIAL.


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