Q: Have you been contacted by federal law enforcement officials as a
result of any of these goings-on?
Miller: Yeah, Independent Counsel.
Q: What do they want to know?
Miller: Probably the same things that I'd like to know. I think
they're trying to put their hands on the weirdness of the whole thing.....There
are so many things that just don't make sense....
Q: Was the FBI coming around before Ron Brown's death and asking any
questions about his involvement?
Q: Asking questions about the loans?
Miller: I believe so, yes.
Q: And after Ron Brown's death?
Q: So, from what you can tell, this is still very much an active
investigation by the federal government?
Miller: It seems to be....
Q: Is what happened here on the same page with Charles Trie, John
Huang..... Is it bigger?
Miller: ....It's political
hustling. It's [returning] a favor. It can be all kinds of things. I don't
think that you can look at one thing and say it's one particular dish on the
Q: Is it important?
Miller: ...I think that people in the government have to become
accountable....I think that access is the name of the game. I think it's more
access than anything else. I think that the access then leads to money, and
money seems to be thoroughly the root of all evil, and it seems to be the
common thread that runs through all of these stories that we hear about. That
part is a little depressing.
Q: Where do the Lums fit in?
Miller: I don't think that there's any question that they had
access, and that they utilized the power bases that they had available for
them. I can't say that I know which power bases they all are. I think that
there's a few that are obvious that have been utilized.
Q: For example?
Miller: Well, why would Ron Brown care about a gas gathering company
in Norman, Oklahoma? I can't think of any reason.
Q: What do you chalk it up to?
Miller: Greed, power. Power and greed, that's probably the best way
to describe it....