WHAT IS THE POLICY ON ACCEPTING OR COLLECTING ANIMALS FROM THE JAPANESE DRIVE
Right now we don't have any plans to collect any animals from the Japanese
drive fishery. And part of that is, it's complicated right now too, because
the Japanese are beginning to talk about small whaling again--which is going
beyond the realm of the International Whaling Commission's scientific whaling.
And they're complicating the issues with all of their programs. And again,
going back to the original issue, I think saving the animal's more important,
and not interfering with what happens in other parts of the world.
I THINK THERE WAS A COURT DECISION IN THE UNITED STATES THAT RECOGNIZED THAT
IPSO FACTO, THE JAPANESE DRIVE FISHERY IS INHUMANE, AND THEREFORE ANY
COLLECTION THROUGH THE DRIVE FISHERY WOULD PUT YOU OUTSIDE OF THE LIMITS OF THE
I'm not aware of any lawsuit or court ruling. I do know that one of the
conditions of an import from the National Fisheries Service would be that the
animals were collected in a humane manner.
IS THAT NOT A CONTRADICTION IN TERMS, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE JAPANESE
DRIVE FISHERY? HOW COULD YOU CALL THAT HUMANE IN ANY WAY?
Well, it's not humane, because they're going to kill them and eat them. But
to save them is humane. We used the same technique in Barnes Lake, Alaska, two
years old, and saved nine killer whales that had been trapped in a fresh water
lake. We used the same technique. We were called--again, why didn't somebody
else-- get called? We got called. We went up there and used the same type of
techniques, with boats and pipes over the side, driving the animals towards an
opening to save their lives. And it's unfortunate--of those nine, two didn't
make it because they'd been in that fresh water lake for too long--they died.
I don't have any answer for you in terms of the Japanese, and if what they're
doing is right or wrong. I'm not going to judge them. There's people all
over the world right now, that are eating endangered --for delicacies, and
catching small (unclear) and eating them. And the river dolphins in
Amazon--their genitals are being used for aphrodisiacs. I mean, there's things
that go on outside the realm of what we feel is acceptable here, in the United
IT'S A LAW OF THE UNITED STATES THAT THERE HAS TO BE A HUMANE COLLECTION, NO
MATTER WHETHER IT'S IN ICELANDIC--
--OR JAPAN, OR WHEREVER?
And that's part of the condition for an import permit--if they don't give a
permit, then you're not going to import the animal.
AND HOW DO YOU PERMIT--I MEAN THE JAPANESE DRIVE FISHERY BY ANYBODY'
S--GRANTED KILLING THEM IS INHUMANE-- BUT DRIVING THEM UP INTO A POSITION WHERE
THEY CAN BE CAPTURED IS ALSO--INHUMANE.
It's a definition of how you collect an animal, and what your purpose is
going to be, and if you' ve ever seen of those processes, you would know the
differences. You know, we're getting into the discussion now of a
slaughterhouse, and how humane it is to drive the cows through the chute before
their last step. I mean, what's humane and what's not? You--expect the food to
show up all packaged in the supermarket the next day.
So we're going into, sort of again, a resource issue here on what's right in
one country is not right in another. I don't know today, if we applied for a
permit, which we're not going to, if the U.S. government would accept the
humaneness or non-humaneness of that collection process, or not. Because I'm
not sure what court case you're talking about.
HOW MANY ANIMALS HAVE COME HERE THROUGH THE DRIVE FISHERY?
In our collection right now, we have false killer whales. And three of the
animals came from drive fisheries, one of them came from a drive fishery that
went to the Indianapolis Zoo on a permit, the animals now in our park on a
breeding loan. We've had two offspring from that group, so there's six total
NOW I THINK THERE'VE BEEN A LOT TOO THAT JUST DIDN'T SURVIVE VERY LONG... SO
THERE HAS BEEN A LARGER ACQUISITION THAN THREE.
There.. over the years there have others that have been in part of the
collection, sure, that passed away.
SO CAN YOU GIVE ME SOME KIND OF A NUMBER...
..There's been 15 total. 'Course that information is public information through
the National Fisheries Service. It's not like it's a secret that Sea World