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EXCERPT #1 FROM THE PSYCHIATRIC INTERVIEW


DR. RESNICK: OKAY, MR. SALVI, LET ME EXPLAIN WHY I'M ASKING YOU THIS. I'M NOT ASKING YOU RIGHT NOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE CRIME YOU'RE CHARGED WITH. YOU ARE A CATHOLIC, YOU HAVE STRONG BELIEFS AS A CATHOLIC. I SIMPLY WANT TO UNDERSTAND YOUR VIEWS ON ABORTION.

JOHN SALVI: Of course, I have the right to refuse the question.


DR. RESNICK: RIGHT, BUT YOU UNDERSTAND I'M WORKING WITH YOUR DEFENSE ATTORNEY IN TRYING TO BE HELPFUL. AND IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE BEING ASKED IN COURT WHERE YOU HAVE AN ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO RAISE-- YOUR FIFTH AMENDMENT RIGHT NOT TO INCRIMINATE YOURSELF. BUT, I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND YOUR VIEWS ON ABORTION, PERSONALLY AND AS A CATHOLIC.

JOHN SALVI: I believe along the lines of what the Pope believes. Whatever the Pope believes, I believe.


DR. RESNICK: ALRIGHT.

JOHN SALVI: The Pope delegates his authority to the cardinals, to the bishops--


DR. RESNICK: THE POPE HAS TAKEN A VERY FIXED--

JOHN SALVI: Yes, and I back the Pope up.


DR. RESNICK: OKAY. AND WHAT IS THAT POSITION?

JOHN SALVI: He's against it completely.


DR. RESNICK: AND DO YOU FEEL THE SAME WAY?

JOHN SALVI: Yes.


DR. RESNICK: ALRIGHT. HOW STRONGLY--

JOHN SALVI: I'm also against quite a few forms of birth control too.


DR. RESNICK: LET'S STAY WITH ABORTION, AND JUST KEEP IT SIMPLE HERE. HOW STRONG AN ADVOCATE ARE YOU FOR THE ANTI-ABORTION--

JOHN SALVI: As strong as the Pope is. If the Pope says "jump" the Catholic people should jump; if the Pope says "sit" the Catholic people should sit. The ones who don't sit when the Pope says "sit" and the ones who don't jump when the Pope says "jump" are the ones that aren't smart. There's a reason for that.


DR. RESNICK: YOU BELIEVE IN ADHERENCE TO THE POPE'S ... (inaudible)?

JOHN SALVI: Yes. (simultaneous conversation) -- cross many lines, it goes into a financial issue. Will the Catholic Church have their own Welfare system.


DR. RESNICK: OKAY, LET ME STAY WITH THE ABORTION QUESTION.
JOHN SALVI: They will if every member of the Catholic Church is like me. I guarantee it.


DR. RESNICK: OKAY. NOW, WITH REGARD TO THE ABORTION QUESTION. SOME INDIVIDUALS HAVE BEEN POLITICALLY ACTIVE, WHETHER CARRYING PLACARDS OR--

JOHN SALVI: Some individuals are politically active, are they carrying placards or--


DR. RESNICK: OR VOTING PEOPLE INTO OFFICE WHO MAY OUTLAW ABORTION AND SO FORTH.

JOHN SALVI: First of all, that's not how you do it.


DR. RESNICK: HOW DO YOU WANT ... (inaudible) ABORTION? HOW DO YOU DO IT?

JOHN SALVI: Abortion, strangely enough-- especially the way-- You can't force, for the most part, religion on people. I can't tell-- I can't say to you, "You can't do this." I can try and stop you, but I can't say, "You can't do this." God, for the most part, wants people to make up their own choice, so He can set up a system of punishment for-- ... (inaudible) decide. People out of their own free will would-- would live a certain way, and those are the people you'd want to live with. So, you can't completely say that-- Abortion is, though a large part of it, wouldn't have to be made illegal for the Catholic people to be smart.
Now, a Catholic girl that gets an abortion is not bright, at all. For the main reason is you don't want to be outnumbered too much. Abortion, in a great way, is wiping out the Catholic Church.


DR. RESNICK: NOW, DO YOU OPPOSE ABORTION --

JOHN SALVI: Catholics have a bad outlook. They'll say, "Oh, if we're not financially ready, we won't get married." That's not what you say.


DR. RESNICK: DO YOU OPPOSE ABORTION FOR CATHOLICS OR FOR ... (inaudible)?

JOHN SALVI: What you do is you get married.


DR. RESNICK: HOLD ON.

JOHN SALVI: Hold on. And you be strong. The Catholic people are weak, very weak.


DR. RESNICK: LISTEN TO MY QUESTION.

JOHN SALVI: You have to have a government, you have to have a structure in society. We can't be a bunch of monkeys.


DR. RESNICK: OKAY. DO YOU OPPOSE ABORTION ONLY FOR CATHOLIC INDIVIDUALS OR FOR ALL INDIVIDUALS?

JOHN SALVI: Do I oppose-- Could you please repeat that?


DR. RESNICK: DO YOU OPPOSE ABORTION ONLY FOR CATHOLICS OR FOR ALL INDIVIDUALS?

JOHN SALVI: I would advise all individuals not to. I don't think it's good; that's my opinion. I would strongly advise the Catholic people not to for many other reasons. Mainly to not be outnumbered. The Catholics used to have large families.


DR. RESNICK: IT'S A PRACTICAL REASON. THERE'D BE MORE POWER FOR CATHOLICS IF THEY HAD LARGER FAMILIES?

JOHN SALVI: Well, if you were going up against the Catholic Church on an issue, would you want to go up against an only child, or would you want to go up against five brothers?


DR. RESNICK: I SEE YOUR POINT.

JOHN SALVI: --who had a hundred cousins.


DR. RESNICK: NOW, YOU STARTED TO SAY, HERE'S THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT, YOU SAID THE PLACARD CARRYING WASN'T DOING IT. HOW WOULD YOU DEAL WITH THE ISSUE OF ABORTION IF YOU WERE IN CHARGE? WHAT ARE YOUR PERSONAL--

JOHN SALVI: Excuse me?


DR. RESNICK: WHAT ARE YOUR PERSONAL BELIEFS ABOUT HOW THE ABORTION ISSUE SHOULD BE DEALT WITH?

JOHN SALVI: How should it be dealt with? I already went over that for the most part. You know, you have to have leadership in the church. We have to talk about it, sit down. You know, at the end of each mass, instead of just everyone just rushing out of the church, we need to see the church as a government. It's a fine mark for government; it just needs a little bit of muscle. It needs some education, and it needs--


DR. RESNICK: WELL--

JOHN SALVI: ... (inaudible), please, that's rude. It needs a set rules, how do we live. If the Pope says "jump", you teach your children to jump. Don't say to your children, "Don't ever do this. You don't want to ever rock the boat, cause waves." That's how the Catholics raise their children. (whisper) Or we run from pain. Well, that's insane. Because pain's going to run after you.


DR. RESNICK: OKAY, NOW YOU'RE SPEAKING GENERALLY.

JOHN SALVI: We need to educate the children; we need to educate the congregations. The congregations need to start thinking a little, which they haven't ever.


DR. RESNICK: NOW, THAT MIGHT INFLUENCE CATHOLICS TO AVOID ABORTION. BUT, THAT WILL STILL LEAVE ABORTION CLINICS IN THIS COUNTRY OPEN TO THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO USE IT, RIGHT? DO YOU HAVE ANY SOLUTION TO THAT?

JOHN SALVI: Look, the Catholic Church needs to be sufficient in and of itself.


DR. RESNICK: NOW, THAT MIGHT INFLUENCE CATHOLICS TO AVOID ABORTION. BUT, THAT WILL STILL LEAVE ABORTION CLINICS IN THIS COUNTRY OPEN T THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO USE IT, RIGHT? IS THERE A WAY-- DO YOU HAVE ANY SOLUTION TO THAT?

JOHN SALVI: Look, the Catholic Church needs to be sufficient in and of itself. We can't even, uh-- We have trouble even going up and farming because of taxation. Not to say that there aren't programs that compensate farmers. There are. But, it's not always easy to get those ... (inaudible)


DR. RESNICK: DO YOU FEEL THAT ABORTION CLINICS--

JOHN SALVI: Being paid not to grow food.


DR. RESNICK: EXCUSE ME. DO YOU FEEL THAT ABORTION CLINICS IN THIS COUNTRY SHOULD BE SHUT DOWN?

JOHN SALVI: In my opinion?


DR. RESNICK: YES.

JOHN SALVI: Oh yes.


DR. RESNICK: AND HOW CAN THAT BE ACCOMPLISHED?

JOHN SALVI: But, you can't completely impose that on people. You could-- You literally could. But people, for the most part, should have a personal opinion.


DR. RESNICK: DO YOU BELIEVE IN FREE CHOICE IN THAT RESPECT?

JOHN SALVI: Well, yeah, that's ... (inaudible) I can't say-- I'm a prolifer, I stand with the Pope completely. I can't say to a young lady, "You're going to take care of this child; bring this child into the world. You're not going to be yellow and get an abortion; you're going to be blue and ... (inaudible) at the world." I can't completely say to you, "Raise this child." Am I against it? Yes. Why? Because I knew people when I was growing up that were adopted. And if abortion had been legal back then, I wouldn't have known them, most probably. That's why. And I feel that their presence in the world betters this earth. Most of the Catholics are poor; most people that get abortions are poor.


DR. RESNICK: OKAY, SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR THINKING, PHILOSOPHICALLY ON THIS MATTER. WHAT SPECIFIC STEPS TO CLOSING DOWN ABORTION CLINICS DO YOU FEEL NEED TO BE TAKEN, OR WHAT ARE PROPER?

JOHN SALVI: Let's get off that subject a little bit. And please don't keep up on it. This is an interview. I'd like to state something.


DR. RESNICK: OKAY, WE'LL GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT AND THEN I'LL COME BACK--

JOHN SALVI: In the Church, each and every member of the church needs to submit a file to their priest. What do they do? "My name is John Salvi or James Smith." "What do you do for a living? How much do you make? Where did you go to college? What do you do? What do you like to do? What do you like? Are you tough? Are you tough?" If someone was going to hurt a priest of a ... (inaudible), a bishop, are you going to protect them, or are you just going to sit there and say, "Well, there's nothing we can simply do."


DR. RESNICK: SO, YOU BELIEVE IN BEING--

JOHN SALVI: You want to know what you're dealing with.



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