Has Islamic Jihad carried out any military operations
from Jenin against Israel?
The Islamic Jihad has conducted many operations lately. There was the martyr
Abu Diak who sacrificed himself. We had also operations in Jerusalem and inside
the Green Line and here inside the 1967 lands. The operations are almost
continuous and constant and almost every day or every couple of days. They
have not stopped. ...
If Chairman Arafat were to say now there should be a truce, now there should
be a cease fire, and to order everybody on the West Bank to hold a cease fire,
would you agree to that, would you agree to stop all your actions if he asked
I don't believe that the Brother Yasser Arafat would order a cease-fire after
all that has happened to the Palestinian people. Actually, he should not order
a cease-fire until the Palestinian people gain their complete rights. We will
have no cease-fire and we will not put our gun aside until the liberation of
Palestine, with its capital Al Quds Ashshareef [Holy Jerusalem].
Tell me step by step what needs to happen for you, for Islamic Jihad, to
then declare peace, to stop military actions?
I am the son of Safooryeh [village in 1948 Palestine]. I am not from the Jenin
camp. I want to return to Safooryeh, which is my true homeland, so that I can
live in peace. This is what I seek. That every human being returns free and
honorable to his homeland to live in safety and peace. This is what I seek.
I have cousins in Beirut, in Syria, in Saudi Arabia, in all the countries of
the world. It is their right to return to their country and homeland. The son
of Haifa has the right to return to his town. ... The person who comes from
America or Russia has the right to live in Haifa and Tel Aviv, and the true son
of Haifa and Tel Aviv remains homeless and exiled. Is this justice? Where is
justice? Would you accept that for yourself? Would Bush accept this? Or
anybody in Europe accept that I come and kick him out from his home, and
replace him? No. No human being would accept that, but instead would fight me.
... I too have a right to my country. I will fight until I remove the
occupation totally from Palestine.
Right up to the sea?
Palestine from the river to the sea, that is our legitimate right in this
You mean all of Palestine?
All of Palestine. And we will not relinquish an iota of soil, because this is
pure and sanctified land. ...
And the issue of the settlers?
The settlers have no right here in the West Bank. And they have no right to
live in any part of Palestine or the West Bank. They have no right to live
This is an important political point. Could you elaborate? Do you object to
their living in all of Palestine even if there was a Palestinian state
established and they lived under Palestinian law? How about the settlers under
We accept any person to live under a respectable Palestinian Islamic state
because that would grant that person full rights. ... We do not object to
anyone living under a Palestinian Islamic state. But to come from outside to
impose his control on me, this person will not get anything This is what we
refuse... . Whoever comes as a guest and lives among us respectfully, we will
proudly crown our heads with him [i.e., honor him].
The American government has declared Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and now the Al
Aqsa Brigades as terrorist organizations. What's your reaction to that?
... America is always side by side with the Zionist enemy, and always stands in
its support and wants to cast our people as terrorists. But the truth is that
they are terrorists. This is clear to everybody and to the whole
world. By the use of their Air Force planes and tanks they entered modest homes
of simple people who do not own weapons. We do not own anything more than this
only [indicates his gun]. ... Who is the terrorist? The one who carries this
gun is the terrorist, while the one who drives a tank is not a terrorist? This
is how America sees things.
America wants to run everything, because America rules the world. But
unfortunately, nobody in the world can speak against America because they are
afraid of America. But by God's will hopefully America will collapse and will
not last long. Hopefully soon, because it is an unjust rule in America and
because America stands with the oppressor against the oppressed. They are the
terrorists, we are not the terrorists. We're not terrorists. ...
Could you explain to us the issue of the "balance of terror" between the
Israeli and Palestinian societies?
...We as a Palestinian people do not own the F-16 or the Apache. We own a
simple gun. We own our bodies, our will, and our determination. Whenever the
F-16 bomber flies over the city of Jenin to strike a certain target it
terrifies the whole city and the whole district and everybody is struck with a
horrific fear. ... The same kind of terror and fear needs to be duplicated
inside Israel, inside the enemy territory.
What we feel of fear and terror, we must transmit back to them. The method of
delivery is through the bodies of the istishhaadeya [martyr] youth who
strike deep in Tel Aviv, Haifa, and Alkhudeira, because any operation inside
Alkhudeira or inside Haifa or in Keryat Shmona will generate terror. This
creates terror for those in Keryat Shmona because they are not spared and their
turn is also coming. This is a kind of warfare or a type of weaponry that we
possess, these martyrdom bodies as weapons. In reality, this resulted in a
balance of terror between the Palestinian people and the Zionist entity.
This is a simplified explanation of the martyrdom operations. It is a weapon
that is mightier than the F-16. Because until now they, the Israelis, cannot
stop an istishhaadi bomber as long as that bomber has managed to reach
the target place. ... We have managed to plant terror in their souls, as they
have planted terror in the souls of our children and elderly.
What do you think of the Saudi plan for peace?
Nobody has the right to put forward an initiative to solve the problem of the
Palestinian people. Nobody except the Palestinian people, because the
Palestinian people comprehend their own cause better than anyone. We welcome
all people who support what is right. We refuse any initiative that has us
bargaining over our own land, regardless of what that initiative may be and who
it came from. ...
Why do you refuse the Saudi plan?
... The Saudi initiative includes recognition of the State of Israel. In the
Palestinian lexicon, Israel has no place on the map. ...
What will happen next because of President Bush's "war on terror"? What do
you think the result of that will be?
In the next stage, the enemy has nothing left to use against us but atomic
weapons. The F-16 has hit and the Apache has hit. ... Atomic weapons, and if
the Zionist enemy uses atomic weapons, definitely, the Zionist enemy will cease
to exist and Palestinian populations will be annihilated. ... If Israel were to
annihilate all the Palestinian population here with atomic weapons, Israel
itself would be automatically destroyed because of the scope of the atomic
destruction. So we are proud to be martyrs and that our sons from outside come
and continue our journey and live in this land. ...